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https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/05/adam-mosseri-says-metas-threads-app-wont-have-activitypub-support-at-launch/
"Instagram head Adam Mosseri said "
"“Soon, you’ll be able to follow and interact with people on other fediverse platforms, such as Mastodon. They can also find people on Threads using full usernames, such as @[email protected].”"
“We’re committed to building support for ActivityPub, the protocol behind Mastodon, into this app. We weren’t able to finish it for launch given a number of complications that come along with a decentralized network, but it’s coming,” he said.
“If you’re wondering why this matters, here’s a reason: you may one day end up leaving Threads, or, hopefully not, end up de-platformed. If that ever happens, you should be able to take your audience with you to another server. Being open can enable that.”
I’ve seen the quote but not sure how it applies to what I said.
Just because they add ActivityPub support doesn’t mean it will work with Lemmy. That was why I gave the example of Mastodon.world not working with Lemmy.world.
And that quote was from before the launch which is what spurred the second part of my comment.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Again. You’re replying with a comment/link that does not address any of the points I made.
They provided little in the way of extra elaboration but that link explains a very good reason to be suspicious of corporations and hesitant to add them to any open platform. That directly speaks to your original question of why should you be concerned. I understand that the format of lemmy and threads aren't entirely compatible and if that's the case, then there is no need to federate with them as federation can only cause issues and provide no benefit.
That article is FUD. Apple hurt XMPP just as much by never joining it and offering a messaging system within their own ecosystem so folks had no reason to create a second account. XMPP would have been harmed by competition just as much if Google didn't join it. It was competition that killed it. Not that they had joined.
The article isn't FUD. FUD is a propaganda tactic. This is a recounting of events from the perspective of an insider. Just because it may give cause to have uncertainty or doubt or hell, even fear, doesn't mean it is a propaganda piece. And especially knowing how tech giants behave towards any and all competition this is really just a textbook retelling of one of the many events that fall into this same pattern.
It's FUD because it's objectively not the reason XMPP failed.
It may not be the only reason but it surely is a part of the issue. Few articles are going to cover the whole of it.
Google wasn't competing with XMPP and XMPP would still be where it is today without Google's "interference." Google was losing chat market share to Apple and Blackberry. That's why it's history of chat applications is a mess. It kept throwing new stuff at the wall and hoping it stuck. They literally migrated to a new chat application again just a couple years ago.
Plus, it doesn't address this topic at all. If Threads joins the fediverse, they join the fediverse. Defederating them before we even know what will happen or if they'll even affect this instance doesn't help fight this. A bunch of people telling others they need to leave any instance who doesn't confirm will do actively more harm than Threads might possibly maybe do in the future.
I agree we shouldn't be pushing people to leave the instance. I don't think that solves the issue. But I still don't think Meta should be federated with. Both due to their content and exhibited behaviors on their platforms. Extending any invite towards that entity will end poorly.
Describe in any level of detail instead of literal FUD (you're simply using vague notions), what can happen if defederation occurs after seeing what happens instead of before. What cannot be prevented by defederation after the fact. And let's bare in mind Threads' developer already talked about being multi-instance. We don't even know if it will even federate with Lemmy/Kbin for that matter.
You're drumming up fear, uncertainty, and doubt about something that may not even remotely be a problem. We don't need to create some Lemmy version of Fox News here.
You really need to find the difference between holding uncertainty and doubt about a group that has strong evidence against them based on past behavior and the FUD propaganda technique. They are not the same and throwing them around like they are is not productive to this discussion.
You need to explain how what you're doing is any different. You are creating fear, uncertainty, and doubt about an event that 1) may never even occur and 2) you offer no actual evidence anything bad will happen. You can't even articulate what a bad thing might be.