For me it’s the notification light you used to find on older phones, was particularly good to know if your phone was charged without picking it up
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Nobody needs bazillion cameras, a range finder, laser focuses and shit that's needs to be in a professional camera hardware in a phone. You just need total of 2 cameras and a decent hardware. I don't want to pay for a extra N cameras in a phone.
Also what the fuck happened to changeable batteries. I had a Samsung note 4 and used that shit until 2019 when I broke it ( had some anger issues that year). Waterproof dust proof excuses can go have an intercourse with their phones. I used that phone in 6 different countries and all kind of weather nothing happened to it.
Um, like 85% of my work and 40% of my hobbies utilize those features extensively so, yes, people do need those things. Literally for science. Them being baked into base design keeps costs down on tiny budgets. It also helps out students and citizen scientists who don't have to go buy specialized gear- it's already on whatever they have.
And that translate to us normal plebs in what way? And how much of a population you/your job/your requirements representative of the general population?
It seems my logical comment cause some of you camera junkies to get butt hurt. Good to know why even a below 200$ smartphone is coming with 5 different cameras.
Do you think users actually have to pick the camera and select rangefinder before taking a photo?
For the average user, which doesn't mean teen social media user, the added cameras let them take better pictures. My mother in law doesn't know or care how many cameras her phone has. It takes a good picture of her grandchildren.
That's all that matters. The extra cameras and rangefinder is what makes that possible without her needing to know anything. The extra cameras are completely transparent to the end user. They don't have to know or care.
Let's see my old ass Samsung note 4 took the same quality of pictures with one camera module. Without the need of the range finder, laser focuses and bazillion extra cameras with different lenses. Somehow it managed.
Yes the average plebes like me doesn't choose the fucking range finder and you don't need bazillion cameras on your phone to took a decent picture. Your subjective experience with your in-laws doesn't change the fact that you don't need those extra bells and whistles.
Those extra cameras doesn't bring ease of use or better picture quality neither your arguments in this discussion.
Same quality as what? Because there are objective, reproducible tests that I can show where my Pixel 7 pro outperforms the Samsung note 4.
The note 4 has no optical zoom, where my Pixel has a 5x optical zoom. This gave me good photos of my son on stage in orchestra which would be a few pixel blur on a Samsung note 4.
The note 4 has no wide angle camera so getting that Christmas dinner table photo with everyone in the photo was an easy pinch zoom-out instead of attempting to stand in the far corner of the room and still missing some people.
Average users want their phones to take a good photo. I linked proof of that in the other reply. Average users don't care what goes on behind the scenes for that to happen.
It doesn't matter whether it's one camera or 5. It doesn't matter whether there is a rangefinder. What matters is the photo.
You claim to be an average user yet your obsession on how a good quality photo should be achieved, rather than how it is currently done is something only a technical user would care about.
It's to make you buy a new phone. Battery is dead/not holding a charge all day? Time to get a new phone!
Fucking planned obsolescence!!!
I actually use the rangefinding and other cameras quite a lot and im not anywhere near professional. The other day I took some measurements of my bike all through my camera without having to figure out weird geometries with a tape measurer. I can also use it to measure rooms to see if furniture will fit and conversely i can measure furniture on the fly. I had my doubts about using it at first but its suprisingly accurate
I don't use them and I'm pretty sure overwhelming percentage of the user base doesn't use them either. Because I've yet to see an argument I'm buying this phone because it has a range finder. All these extra cameras hardware are forced onto us because of the social media/selfie craze. As for your personal usage case I can understand you're using range finder and measuring options but they are not utilizing different cameras. They are using phone sensors like gyroscope, acceleration, gps and algorithms not your different cameras.
As a side note you yourself admit that it's not something you needed but found out and did even trust it.
No one looks for a rangefinder because they don't need to care about the technical details. They only know that one phone takes better photos than another. That it's because the phone has a laser rangefinder doesn't matter.
No one looks for one because they don't need it. Companies adding extras doesn't mean it's better for the end user nor they need it in case they are your in-laws and what good picturs of their grandchildren... Neither your bullshit argument about people don't look for range finders because it's already in the product.
https://www.androidauthority.com/smartphone-camera-poll-results-1204074/
24% of Android users value camera quality above all other features. For the majority of phone users, camera quality is an important factor.
You are the outlier that doesn't care about camera quality at all.
WOW... 24% you don't say!!! It must mean that remaining 76% doesn't give a fuck and paying extra for the shit they don't use or don't need... How am I so blinded by my ignorance to see this!
24% of Android authority users. 24% of the most technical users in the world still pick the camera as the only important feature they look at in a new phone.
https://www.androidpolice.com/weekend-poll-how-important-is-camera-performance-when-buying-a-phone-redux/
Android police, again self selected to the most technical users in the world: only 10% said camera wasn't important.
iPhone users represent the majority of US phone users. How many iPhone users are going to read and reply to an Androidpolice poll?
You claimed your Note 4, with a single sensor and lens system on the back, is better. You claimed you didn't see a need for multiple cameras. I explained, (and can offer objective test results) how the 3 cameras on the back of my phone are better than the single Note 4 camera.
The reason for all the lens's on the back is technical. They can't put a regular camera lens so they use multiple ones each with different focus ranges.
Even using a regular DSLR you need to swap lenses for different situations.
They are not interchangeable lens's though are they? They are literally different camera modules with different optics. When you're talking about a camera (not a phone) that makes sense. I'm not buying a camera am I? I'm buying a phone so all those optics and camera modules are forced on me to purchase when buying a smart phone. That's the state of today's smart phone market.
They can't be large DSLR style interchangeable lenses because of the form factor. Nor can a single tiny lens even have the range of a compact digital camera because of the form factor. But by adding extra lenses to cover different focus ranges, a smart phone can replace the compact digital camera device. They can't be as good as a DSLR, but I haven't needed anything but my phone and DSLR in years where before I bought a new compact digital camera every few years.
A camera is made up of a lens and sensor. In phones, there is a 1:1 mapping between lens and sensor. For example my pixel 7 pro has 3 lenses on the back each with their own sensor. If you know of a phone that has multiple lens feeding one sensor or vice versa, please link.
That premise isn't supported by demographics. Over 80% of the US population is either over 50 or under 10, neither of which represents significant social media selfie craze.
Furthermore, point and shoot cameras used to be multi billion dollar market before smartphones. That market is now dead https://shotkit.com/news/smartphones-have-wiped-out-97-of-the-compact-camera-market/
Regular people were buying cameras. They replaced their camera with a phone. Regular people, before there was social media, took lots of photos.
I didn't say anyone cared about professional results either. I specifically mentioned in an earlier post that phones replaced the compact digital camera market. Regular people bought new compact digital cameras every few years to take better photos despite no social media.
I already linked a survey that only 10% of technical Android users do not care about camera quality when deciding on a new phone. Regular users want a good camera. Regular users used to buy new compact digital cameras to take photos before social media.