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Celebrating the confederacy is wrong, but I also think museum-like stuff and graveyards are harmless and should be respected. First of all, not everyone who served had much of a choice. Many were expected to serve on one side or the other merely because of where they lived. This is true of much of history. Second, they're dead. It's over for these specific people. They're not a current problem. It's just disrespectful no matter who it is.
I am NOT defending anything confederate, but I know that nuance is lost on most people.
I'm in total agreement, and have visited many union and confederate historical sites (graveyards, prisons, battlefields), which have been invaluable sources of information.
I broadly agree, but would point out that the huge number of statues erected during the civil rights era, celebrating people that led a traitorous war to defend slavery have little to no historical value, and were put in place to send a message echoing what those confederate leaders fought for.
We teach about the Nazis without celebrating them - I don't see why the Confederates should be any different.
I don't see any statues in this photo. Nobody here is talking about celebrating the Confederate soldiers, only suggesting that their graves shouldn't be pissed on.
If you don't think statues are covered under the umbrella of "museum-like stuff" and aren't relevant to a conversation about what public relics of the Confederacy should be preserved, that's a you issue, my guy.
Maybe you missed the point of my comment. I agree with you that Confederate statues erected during the civil rights movement are an affront to everything we stand for as a nation. I agree that they should be torn down wherever they exist.
I also don't understand what any of that has to do with a photo of unmarked Confederate graves. Or how it would in any way justify pissing on them.
It has everything to do with the thread I responded to. Is there a reason you took issue with my reference to statues, but not other people with far more upvotes responding to the same comment in the same thread talking about battlefields, prisons, and houses?
I'd suggest you go back and read what we were all replying to - I'm clearly not the only one that doesn't think this whole conversation needs to be restricted to the pissing on the graves in the photo.
Again, this is a you issue.
Would make a meme about pissing on the grave of someone that served in the Wehrmacht?
Would I? Yes.
Their ghost either understands and agrees, or they don't and deserve it.
What's pissing on Wermacht graves got to do with modern, politically motivated Confederate statues and teaching about the Confederacy responsibly in a similar manner to the way we teach about the Nazis?
I'm sorry to say that I think you got a little over-excited about your gotcha and blew your wad early.
You should probably check the meme in the OP for context if you're having trouble figuring out how pissing on a Wehrmacht grave is connected
If you've got an issue with what OP shared, why would you bring it to me?
I don't have a problem with what OP shared.
You pointed out how we don't glorify Nazis. I was simply wondering if you would make a meme about peeing on German graves the way that OP made a meme about peeing on Confederate graves.
Im just trying to understand your position.
I'm not big on making memes, so no.
Do I think there's equivalent moral culpability between the average vermacht and confederate soldier? Unsure - it's a nuanced question I'm not well positioned to answer.
Would I piss on either? Probably not. Rupert Murdoch is my priority on that front.
I’ve been to this cemetery and house—the staff are beyond amazing when it comes to putting things into context. There’s even a giant sign before you enter that says something to the effect “Take a moment of somber silence before you enter, humans were enslaved here.” They’ve also done a lot of work with local black historians to try and trace the genealogy of slaves from the plantation and restore the slave quarters to show how horrific it all was.
statuses should be dismantled or at least stored away in some museum, we shouldn't treat them like heroes