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Topic: Fundamental differences from the Liberal viewpoint
I will post more thoughts on this thread, but I kinda wanted to start with something fundamental, so we can talk about where our foundations are, rather than something that is advanced and kinda doesn't matter like debating "is China socialist?". I would say a more effective ground for discussion is "What does the existence of [country] do for socialism, and what can we learn from its history?", but I'll pick that up in another comment.
I think of discussions with liberals need to have adequate framing, and part of doing that is distingushing your audience. Let's start with three categories:
I generally focus on group 3. You already have great "capitalism is bad" ethos. Now it's just a matter of building on that with "what are you willing to give up to overthrow it?". When it comes to compromises to liberal values, I want to be in a position to use that point as a backstop instead of crossing over into their territory.