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"Imperialism only counts if it's Western, otherwise it's just sparkling liberation"
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It's a very messy situation there in Ukraine, and my support goes to whatever will stop it. I have no sides in this game, my close ones are on both sides of the actual conflict and this is terrifying. Stop fighting, and then make talks.
That's a disclaimer.
Now one correction on the post: what happens is not ethnic cleansing, and we should not call it that way, for it shows incompetence and may hurt us when talking about real ethnic cleansings, like Myanmar and whatnot. No one pushes Ukrainians away from their land or seeks to genocide the population (even though, as in any war, civilians get hurt dramatically). The proper wording would be forceful reintegration, which, I gotta stress, is super bad, but it is not cleansing.
Ukrainans do have an identity of their own, an identity that doesn't go anywhere, including in those migrated to Russia long ago. Sure, Putin's plan is to reinstate the idea of a brotherly nation, one we shared our core history with throughout almost entire timeline, but even if you look from the position of "turning Ukrainians into Russians" (which is still not how ethnic cleansing is defined), this is simply not possible. Again, I'm speaking this as Ukrainian AND Russian by bloodline, I know what I'm talking about.
What really happens is an invasion, an occupation of the country in order to reinstate a puppet state which has been there, partially, before 2014. It is more akin to USSR driving tanks through Eastern Europe than anything else. Essentially making "friendly" puppet regimes as a form of political control. Very sad Putin didn't learn from past mistakes, doomed to repeat them through a never-before-seen massacre - the one my people, on each side, struggle with.
Russians steal Ukrainian children, they've multiple times been caught mass executing civilians too.. Their side iterates that Ukraine doesn't exist, like Putin implied.
Putin wants to eradicate the Ukrainian national identity.
The official narrative is that Ukrainian government is illegitimate and ruled by Nazis, abd the country needs to be "liberated" from their rule. It doesn't strongly assume destruction of Ukraine the state, but clearly indicates that Russia or its puppets should be in charge.
And even then, there are many stateless nations, and I don't think Ukrainian identity is the one that is easy to erase.
Okay but we, over here on the good side of the sanity line, know that's not true, right? It justifies nothing.
Absolutely, it doesn't justify any actions of Russia in Ukraine, and I never said so.
I just say the Putin's endgame doesn't necessarily include Ukraine losing statehood (but it would certainly become a puppet state with all the negative consequences).
Could you please send said essay? Genuine request.
I answered on "deportation of children" in another thread. Long story short - those are kids from orphanages in Donbass, and I'd rather have them moved to safety (which both Russia and Ukraine do) than left to die in a warzone. Don't see how it constitutes ethnic cleansing.
Thank you! Will give a read.