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Women in Gaza having c-sections without painkillers as girls use tent scraps for period products (news.sky.com)

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[–] Cethin 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It was you who wrote earlier in the very same comment and I will bold the pertinent part for emphasis.

For example, one of the biggest aggravators is that many of the plantations were** owned by Jews** and they started a policy to only hire other Jews,

First you speak about Zionists but suddenly pivot to Jews, that is where it becomes a problem.

Thats history. Them being Jewish has nothing to do with why I dislike what they're doing. Them being Jewish is the group they're supporting. They didn't only hire Zionists. They only hired Jews. They are Zionists because of this.

BTW, Jews in the US tend to hire other Jews especially for Jewish businesses and that is not a matter of Zionism. Arabs in the US tend to do the same.

This is probably because they're more likely to interact. That was not the case in Palestine (the region, not country). The Arab Muslims were the ones who had previously done the job. The European Jews coming in did not have experience in this job and definitely did not work at that plantation before. They were not just accidentally hiring Jews. It was an explicit policy to only hire them.

If you'd like to learn more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yishuv

Now instead of crying over nonsense, why don't you address the fact this this type of crap goes on in warzones all over the globe, but this is this hill you guys decide to make a stand on? Why a Jewish one in 2024 instead of the many other prior?

I love this. You only replied with "actually, you are anti-semitic" when I explicitly said don't use that strawman, and you have the audacity to say I'm crying over this "nonsense." Sure buddy.

This same stuff doesn't happen in every warzone to the same extent. For example: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/war-gaza-survivors-recount-harrowing-israeli-field-executions

Sure, civilians die in every war, but killing obvious civilians and civilian children is usually attempted to be avoided. It still happens, but rarely at this level. If you're just firing missiles then ok, you can't target perfectly. However, they put boots on the ground and are still going around building to building murdering civilians. That doesn't really happen in other wars. I don't think I've ever heard of a war where that happens actually. So yeah, this stuff does happen in other warzones, but not to the same level. It's also usually not done by an explicitly racist group with US support.

OK, now your turn to actually give a defence that isn't only calling me anti-semitic. Why is the murder of civilians to this extent acceptable and/or good? Why is the support of a terrorist organization with the goal to keep another country unstable so you can take the land for yourself acceptable and/or good? Why is the US support for this acceptable and/or good?

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[–] Cethin 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Show me where EXACTLY in my own words I called you anti-semitic, not just your interpretation of my words.

When you say someone dislikes a group because they're Jews, that's saying they're anti-semitic. Sure, you didn't use the word, but you did say it. If I say you killed an innocent person, that's saying you're a murderer, regardless of if I said the word.

Show me where EXACTLY in my own words I said murdering of civilians was acceptable, not just your interpretation of my words.

When you excuse what they're doing as just another warzone, that's justifying it. It saying they're not doing anything worse than anyone else. It's saying that it's at least as acceptable as what every other nation is doing. Sure, technically you didn't say it was acceptable, but you did say it's just as acceptable as every other war. For example:

As if this type of crap doesn't go on in every warzone across the globe. But for some reason, you and some others find it perfectly fine to blame this type of atrocity on Zionism, Israel, and or the Jews? Why is that?

This is saying the only reason anyone is taking issue is because it's Israel (or because they're anti-semitic). It's creating a strawman to argue against instead of actually recognizing that what Israel is doing is different than every other warzone.

Seeing how it is different from other warzones, how do you justify it as the same? You still haven't given any defence. I'm assuming you didn't read the links I posted, but you should. After you do, let me know if you've changed your opinion, and if not how it's acceptable.