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[drunk theory question] do you all think revolutionary masculinity is an oxymoron? if not, what would it consist of (hexbear.net)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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was discussing this with a friend of mine (she's an anarchist but she actually organizes and shit). she was saying there can be no such thing as revolutionary masculinity because the two things are contradictory. but i'm a marxist so contradictions really butter my bread.

i think in a utopian, communist world gender identity would be completely different, to the point where it might not even be legible to us today, but my question is more about how we get from here to there. basically, can we men find a way to not be shitheads in such a way as to bring about communism, or does that not even make sense

feel free to dunk on me if this is a dumb question

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I sympathize with what you're saying and agree with some of it, but it's a bit idealistic. People's ideologies are molded by how they interact with the world. Ideas do not sprout from nowhere, so I completely disagree that "conservative generations" must be abandoned for younger ones. Unless you get to the roots of what's causing reactionary ideology, the younger generation will just be as conservative. Other than that, I firmly believe both the nuclear family and the gender binary will wither away and be sublated, but there's no swift abolition especially in a pre-revolutionary or mid-revolutionary situation. We're already seeing the beginning of withering away of these things due to the contradictions of capitalism, and they'll be completed as communism is built. Besides radical support for queer issues I'm not sure what the strategy here should be.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah abandoning "reactionary generations" would require mass, repeated homicide of billions of people. It isn't because it's wrong or something that's the main issue, though, it just isn't practical to kill that many people, they literally outnumber you thousands to one.

You might disagree that it wouldn't require it, but it would, unless you can somehow completely isolate the same billions of people from the "newer generations" socially. Completely, not a single word would be able to pass from the lips of an older person to the ears of a younger one.