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[drunk theory question] do you all think revolutionary masculinity is an oxymoron? if not, what would it consist of (hexbear.net)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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was discussing this with a friend of mine (she's an anarchist but she actually organizes and shit). she was saying there can be no such thing as revolutionary masculinity because the two things are contradictory. but i'm a marxist so contradictions really butter my bread.

i think in a utopian, communist world gender identity would be completely different, to the point where it might not even be legible to us today, but my question is more about how we get from here to there. basically, can we men find a way to not be shitheads in such a way as to bring about communism, or does that not even make sense

feel free to dunk on me if this is a dumb question

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[+] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not like communists are lacking in male role models.

Obama

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Do you know anyone better at picking up ethereal communist bisexuals?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ignoring the, uh, "Obama" comment, the problem with these people is that most of them are dead. That means that people are going to have a much harder time identifying with them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Regardless if they have good masculine traits, they’re old and dead. Boys have historical role models but they also want and need living ones who are living and succeeding in today’s society and standards. What message would you give if all the people you look up to are dead and lived in a society that no longer exists (either physically or culturally)? It seems rather depressing and makes people nostalgic over TRVDITION instead of focusing on the present.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a sort of belief of exclusively and upholding the partiarchy as if there is something inherently "special" or "unique" about their biological gender having do to with their talents. That being born with a penis grants a certain authority and natural skill that being born without a penis has. Like Marx wouldn't have been Marx if he was born Female. Which we all know now simply isn't true.

There are plenty of strong women type, organizers, philosophers.

One could argue that BECAUSE of the partiarchy and BECAUSE Marx was born with a penis, people raised in patriarchal doctrine saw Marx as more of a natural leader as their PREJUDICE told them a women could never lead.

This is the stuff we need to root out and say it's ok to put partiarchy down and not just because it's hillgasm HER TURN, but because it is now recognized as an archaic discrimatory belief system that hurts both men and women alike railroading percieved or actual gender down a socially constructed path.

If you want to reach "chuds" you can make an argument patriarchy negates meritocracy and they so deeply value meritocracy as it is a central lie anglo society is built on. It might short circuit their lobsters and rats brainworms .