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While the first episode is a bit far back, I just watched the Voyager Conspiracy the other night which covers a lot of early dialogue and events to weave into Seven's conspiracy theory, Tuvok points out the yield of the tricobalt device was so high because he wasn't even sure if they could destroy the array.
With that bit of info, it's safe to say this may have actually be a conversation they had about the array that wasn't shown in the episode and why they couldn't just blow it up after using it; they wanted to make sure it was actually destroyed and weren't sure if what they were about to try would actually work.
Time wasn't on their side to make sure everything would work; a whole fleet of Kazon was bearing down on them.
it was eventually made clear that all of what Seven ranted about was unreliable gobbledygook that was skewed and warped because of data overload. None of it was reliable information.
thing is: we were there! it’s the whole pilot episode (a good one, too, by all accounts— including mine,, except for this bs)…but Seven wasn’t. We all know what happened. There’s a record, and it’s very clear that it was possible to plant explosive, program a trip home, and get it done before the Kazon got control of the station.
It was lazy writing that was to blame for not coming up with a more believable scenario for why they had to stay. And it would have ben very easy to do that, they just didn’t bother, which makes it even worse.
This specific information was given by Tuvok to Seven himself. It wasn't part of any error on her part.
It was never that the information was wrong. It was how she interpreted that information to form links that were never actually made.
It certainly was a plot hole in the first two episodes; but I see this tidbit given by Tuvok in the later episode as a way of retroactively filling in the plot hole.
but that misinterpreted information is all we ever heard— we never got the raw, unadulterated information from Seven in that episode. It’s tantamount to hearsay or the recollections of a person in the throes of a psychotic delusion. The only source of first-hand, unadulterated info that we can canonically rely upon was what we, ourselves, saw in VOY: S01E01-E02 - Caretaker for ourselves.
Whatever we learn from Seven must be discounted as non-canon due to her role as the proxied Unreliable Narrator.
Again, the information pertinent to the topic here was directly told to Seven by Tuvok. 🤦♂️
Seven's interpretation of that information doesn't even come into play.
only that the tricobalt devices were of sufficient explosive magnitude (22 terachochranes each) to obliterate the array satisfactorily. it was her supposition that saved as speculation that there was a subspace tear based on incomplete sensor data.
Tuvok provided no more information than was in the pilot episode which we all saw for ourselves. He merely reiterated it in the episode The Voyager Conspiracy.
She was asking why the yield was so high because of her supposition, but he tells her that it was because that was what was needed by his calculations, and he wasn't 100% sure even that that would have been enough.
The not being sure it was enough is the new information. If he wasn't sure it would work, it would give a reason why they didn't leave it up to a remote detonation.
I don’t accept this premise
not accepting your premise, I can’t accept you conclusion
Then perhaps you should watch the damn episode again.
or, perhaps, I don’t care for you attitude.
take your pettiness and silly fighting elsewhere. this is a place to have fun, not start silly arguments.
edit: keep it chill here
Whatever dude. 🙄
buddy, this is a shitposting meme community. if you can’t keep it chill and fun, take it someplace else.
if you want to be serious, there’s a daystominstitute community somewhere around here… but this isn’t the place for it
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I too specifically recall Tuvoc saying ‘and I wasn’t sure that would be enough’… we can postulate that this ‘new information’ is the reason they didn’t try a remote detonation. That being said, the idea of trying a remote detonation was never discussed in either episode. Either a) they didn’t think of that option or b) they considered that option but decided to stay in the delta quadrant to ensure the array was destroyed.
I am leaning toward a), because for b) to be a reasonable explanation then we should have heard something about why a remote detonation wouldn’t work. Saying ‘not sure if it was enough to destroy the array’ is still a leap away from ‘and so we had to stay in the delta quadrant to see if it worked’