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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (13 children)

Did Ukraine take 247 Russians hostages and slaughter 1000 people including whole families and people at a music festival?

Casus belli is a thing that has existed for thousands of years because people are much more favorable of a war when there's a clear cause.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

and slaughter 1000 people at a music festival?

Hot safety tip: Don't hold your music festivals next to your concentration camps.

And we're down to a thousand now? Hannibal doctrine stays winning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel

1,139 killed[e] 766 civilians,[f] including 36 children[g] 373 security forces[17]

3,400 civilians and soldiers wounded[18] 247 civilians and soldiers taken captive[19] 5 missing[17]

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

Wikipedia! Oh please cite the BBC at me. Please cite removed articles with outdated atrocity propaganda. Please cite CNN articles which just regurgitate quotes from Israel's officials as direct evidence.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Did Ukraine take 247 Russians hostages and slaughter 1000 people including whole families and people at a music festival?

Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”

An air force colonel said that Israeli airstrikes may have intentionally killed Israeli captives rather than let them be taken to Gaza. Speaking in Hebrew about the airstrikes, Colonel Nof Erez told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that 7 October “was a mass Hannibal”

Ynet: Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)

You want casus belli for Al-Aqsa Flood? How about the fact that Israel has been occupying Palestinian land for nearly eighty years (after committing ethnic cleansing), consistently putting up border walls and squeezing in Israeli occupiers in the West Bank, bombing whole villages and setting up chairs to watch, starving people with an inhumane blockade in the Gaza Strip, refusing the right to return, shooting down protestors (Great March of Return), using white phosphorus, imprisoning Palestinians without charge, using Palestinians as human shields, and that they brutally repressed Palestinians at al-Aqsa Mosque (namesake of the operation).

Regarding Ukraine, there was a far-right U.S.-backed coup, Ukrainian nationalists were committing "ISIS-style" war crimes, there was the neo-Nazi targeting of ethnic minorities and Russian speakers, and yet, we must lament the deaths of those celebrating "infinite freedom" on the edge of a concentration camp.

Ukraine's previous president, Poroshenko, and his policy on Donbass: "We will have jobs—they will not. We will have pensions—they will not… Our children will go to schools and kindergartens—theirs will hide in the brments (cellars)."

Ukraine: Widespread Use of Cluster Munitions on Donetsk

[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Did Ukraine take 247 Russians hostages and slaughter 1000 people including whole families and people at a music festival?

No but they did have a bunch of Nazi paramilitaries fucking around in majority Russian regions.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Agreed. It’s wild that Hamas would just kidnap and murder a bunch of people on the very first day that history began.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago

Simping for both ukraine and "israel" in one sentence. Impressive, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Casus belli, in a "just war theory" context needs to be considered in terms of sugma, however.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No, it was much worse. Ukraine killed somewhere around 14000 people, in keeping of course with their pre USSR tradition of protecting the rich by using ethnic minorities as scapegoats. Thankfully there was a Russian intervention since no western country was gonna do it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh look someone who got themselves a 2 month ban from lemmy.ml last week.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's ass backwards post, cause western public hates israel fascist ways, while your post argues in the opposite way (?).

Incidentally. isreal maintains 2 million concentration camp. so any uprising against occupiers is just. If someone had decided to have a music festival near aushwitz, i also wouldn't give two shits about their destiny

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Wait wait wait! That sounds to me like a whataboutism!!!!!!!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

Liberals have short term memory lmao

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago

oppa gangnam style