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The soviet union was great, in comparison to everything before and after on the same land
I assume you mean the Berlin wall. East germany was much poorer than west germany. This was the case before WW2, and it is still poorer today. It wasn't helped by events like the Dresden bombings or Russia taking some of its industrial capital as reparations
East germany quickly produced the most educated working class it ever had with free universities. West germany had better wages and more treats because of their wealth. Therefore, people flocked to the west. That doesn't mean east germany was inherently worse under socialism! They simply started with worse material conditions. The wall was an 'authoritarian' measure to prevent brain drain. I don't know if it was the best option, but I understand why it was built. Perhaps a compromise could have been freedom of movement within the eastern bloc, to give people the opportunity to build socialism elsewhere if they wanted
Socialism isn't utopian, but it is the most democratic way to distribute and build the resources we have, and give people the most opportunities. The entire USSR was always way poorer than the US, or modern China, but it accomplished so much more for the common person than its successor states ever will
These are good arguments. I wasn't talking only about Berlin though, but this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_Eastern_Bloc
Wasn't emigration heavily restricted? Or have I been disinfo'ed
Educate specialists for free
specialists want that pmc blood money, not 50 percent more than worker money
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emigration of people highly invested in by the state
emigration gets restricted cause it doesn’t make any sense to do this for society
yeah the Wikipedia article basically states what I wrote above
a physical wall only existed in Germany, but the restricted borders were along the entire eastern bloc like @Vampire said, for the same reason