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Why do we even have to have this conversation in the first place (slrpnk.net)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Israel has not been found guilty of violating either statute

Because until now the US has vetoed every attempt at holding them accountable and the current ICJ case is still ongoing. The lack of a conviction doesn't invalidate painfully obvious reality.

eep repeating it like a mantra but it doesn't make it any more true

Could say the exact same thing about your denials. Difference would be that I'd be basing it on objective reality rather than lies from pro-Israel outlets such as NYT and Times of Israel.

21% of Israel's population is Arab/Palestinian

Completely irrelevant.

and they have full legal citizenship rights.

No they fucking don't! Even Times of Israel admits they don't!

Israel is not attempting to destroy Palestinians in whole or in part,

Yeah, they are. They're specifically saying so themselves.

they are responding to an attack by a belligerent nation

No, they are responding to a terrorist attack in a wildly disproportionate manner.

going to great lengths to select legal targets in response

Nope. They're notorious for lying about the legitimacy of targets. There's no fully functional hospitals left in Gaza because that's what the Israeli government wanted, not because there were Hamas "fighters" hidden in or under every single one like the IDF keeps claiming.

even if they have significant collateral damage.

You mean CAUSE, right? Because by their own official estimate, they kill twice as many civilians as Hamas and since they refuse to share the data, it's probably much worse than even that.

It's clear this is about self-defense

Are you fucking drunk? On other mind-altering substances? Because you can't be this gullible sober and still function.

Unless of course you're deliberately lying, which is very likely.

Biden is the best president we've had in a long time

Second-best since Carter, but that's still an awfully low bar since they've all been really baf in each their own way and also the shared way of being beholden to billionaires and their corporations.

Hamas stans

Let me be absolutely clear: I abhor all terrorism by all terrorists, including Hamas. You don't have to be on their side to abhor genocide.

criticizing him for supporting our allies

Genocidal apartheid state regimes do not make for worthy allies.

against unprovoked terrorist attacks.

I'm not saying that the attacks were in any way justified or excusable, but to call them unprovoked is the height of ideological blindness! Are you SURE you're not drunk or high right now?

Supporting our allies in a time of crisis is the right thing to do.

Not when said crisis is of the making of said allies and their crimes against humanity.