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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which brings up the US how? Hmmmm…..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Latin American policy has been dictated by decades of US influence, just like how European policy has been dictated by decades of Soviet influence?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From an article that neither mentions the US or does the joint statement by the Latin Americans countries mention the US.

So yeah, maybe go back and read the article. Bringing the US up is conjecture unsubstantiated by the article. And weren’t you big on o Lu focusing on the article just a few comments ago?

I get you struggle not to tie everything back in the United States but American exceptionalism is a fairly toxic idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which of the countries in Latin America haven't had governments flipped by US intervention? I'll wait for you to count.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Case and point. EU nations (aka Not the US) asking for support for an eu nation (which did not have anything to do with US coups in Latin America) is to you about the US.

You can’t even imagine Latin American countires having issues with Europeans treatment of them, like the article states. The response text but up colonial reparations.

The US is not the center of the world. Countries have motivations that don’t factor the US.

For someone who doesn’t like the US they have gotten deep in your head.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US is the center of the West's response to Russia's invasion. That's indisputable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which doesn’t make make them the center of latin American reasoning. Geopolitics is more complicated than that. NOr is their anything in the article to imply anything of the sort.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Geopolitics is centered around the big superpowers (the US, the ex-USSR, and China). Claiming otherwise is silly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Big powers like the entire EU? You know. Who the article was about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The EU has never been considered a power of the same scale as the US or the ex-USSR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And yet is much more directly impacted by, and involved in, the situation in Ukraine and you know, it was a direct exchange between those two parties and referencing those two parties and not the US.

You’ve got a bad case of American on the brain. You hate the topic but can’t change the subject.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I must be forgetting how NATO gets funded...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You definitely are since the US only pays about 16% of NATOS budget. Which is a smaller percentage than what the US pays to the UN peace keeping forces.

You…..do know that NATOs budget is not the same things as NATO combined military spending right?

And also irrelevant since the EU is not NATO. They share members they do not have identical membership.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take a look at a map of NATO. Now take a look at a map of EU aid to Ukraine. The only real non-NATO members of the EU are, what? Ireland, Switzerland, Austria, and Serbia (and a few microstates)?

Oh, would you look at that! Guess who hasn't been providing significant military aid to Ukraine. No guns and no ammunition. (In other news, even China has provided Ukraine with humanitarian aid...)

This is a proxy war between the US and Russia. The only significant aid from non-NATO states has been from, what, Pakistan (who oppose anything India supports lol), Australia (who are otherwise aligned with the US through ANZUS/AUKUS), Israel (do I even need to say anything?), and Japan (who are obviously aligned with the US)?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So find a single quote of the Latin American countires opposing the text as written had a thing to do with nato. You can’t.

You do realize the majority of these exact same states (including India, who you listed as supporting the war. What?) have already condemned the war at the UN. So no, it’s not as simple as pro us and anti us. Countires do indeed have interests beyond america or Russia and indeed do have bilateral concerns.

Just because you can’t see the world through anything but the US lense doesn’t mean the rest of the world can’t. And just because you think Latin America should have every action they take be shaped by their relationship with the u tied states doesn’t mean they think that.

So unless you can actually put up some evidence rather than your wild conjecture I’m afraid I’m done here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where is India's aid to Ukraine? Words are cheap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where’s indias aid to Russia?

And it’s politics. The power of words is immense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Words aren't going to save the lives of Ukrainian soldiers.

India is buying Russian oil and propping up Russia's resource-based economy. But yes, like China, they aren't providing lethal military aid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because India needs oil. A lot of it and for cheap. India is also buying US weapons and phasing out Russian ones.

It’s almost like India is a country with its own interests and doesn’t treat the world as one giant chess match between Russia and the US.

You know. Like Latin America.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the context of the war in Ukraine? Nobody is saying that the world is, but that the war in Ukraine is. Latin America doesn't want to get involved in a chess match between the US and Russia... I'm glad we agree lol.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only people framing the geopolitical relationship with the EUas part of this so called chess match is you.

You never did present that evidence I asked for by the way. So we are done here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, we've already established that the members of the EU that are supporting Ukraine is exactly (somehow) the members of NATO... I'm not really sure what you're asking for.