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Determinism W (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oversimplification is not anyone's complaint here

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So what is it? This whole argument seems to have started because you didn't like that I used "determinism" positively in the title, as you assumed it implied I thought the universe worked in simple mechanics as Marx's opponents did.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What is what? I think my criticism is pretty plain and I've had to repeat it many times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your position from the first comment is free will and determinism both exist. I have never seen a reason to believe in free will. That is why we are at odds. I don't know if I believe in determinism, but free will as most people use it is incompatible with dialectical materialism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Your position from the first comment is free will and determinism both exist.

Are you sure about that?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Dialectical materialism holds that both are at work but that material conditions are dominant.

Am I supposed to take "both" to not include "free will?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You're supposed to review your claim to see whether it's accurate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What claim do you want me to review?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The one I quoted

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I stand behind my impression that “both” was intended to mean that diamat is ultimately compatiblist. A claim I disagree with, as I am not a compatiblist, yet I see no conflict between that and my dialectical materialist outlook.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you really not know what I'm challenging you on?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The question is not yet settled by simply debunking religious dogma?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I guess that's a yes lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

This conversation has gone all over the place, I don't know what point you were originally trying to make.