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With the massacre of hundreds of Palestinians waiting for aid, we are forgetting the true victims.
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this post was submitted on 29 Feb 2024
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Check your votes.. No one is buying this.. We all see what is happening. But you are a bot so not sure why I'm replying to you.
Israel is a genocide state.
I heard this a lot. The reality is, if hamas surrender now, they will still be out there looking for hamas, because no one know how many hamas is out there, who is the hamas, or when will hamas strike.
This started in 1917. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Then there was Nakba in 1948. Literally catastrophe. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nakba-palestine-catastrophe-explained
Hamas was founded in 1988 and revised their charter in 2017. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Comparing a resistance movement against a colonizing occupier to the actions that two industrialized nations took against each other during wartime is not really the best way to frame this. If we look at the colonial expansion of the United States against the Native tribes and collectives that were already here, that had established their own system of governing based on mutual collaboration, it gives us a better perspective and context.
You know, i don't really wanna engage with these "they brought it upon themselves" argument, because it's really just gonna spiral down into endless back and forth where the origin is only remotely resemble the issue today. To say palestinian deserve what they get because of Hamas is like saying Israeli deserve what they get because of Netanyahu.
You didn't explicitly say "deserving", you're implying. Heavily. There's no strawman.
Isolating this situation in such a narrow timeline doesn't make it better either, it's a very complex issue that need to have a clear separation between modern conflict and past. Which is why I don't want to engage in discussing, people will either only isolate the whole situation to the current conflict or be very quickly point out the ancient history.
When Lebanon laid down their arms and surrendered with security guarantee from the US that they wold not be harmed, israel committed mass rape and Genocide. This is also where they stole the "pregnant women with the baby ripped out" story from. Israel actually did that themselves:
Sabra and Shatila massacre
https://www.hrw.org/news/2001/06/22/israel-sharon-investigation-urged
Lebanese israel-backed anti-Palestinian Fascists which were pointed to the camp by israel, armed with weapons. The IDF knew very well they would commit that massacare, the IDF which surrounded the camp made sure to defend the Phalangist militias while they commited their massacare.
I guess these people can't read either because if it's israels responsibility that sure sounds like israel did it.
Maybe you can send the Human Rights Watch a message to correct them. Be sure to link your wikipedia quote.
And I think it would help (at least not harm anyone) if israel (which is a Nazi ethostate) would lay their arms down.
Hey you know what they could do to solve this? A permanent ceasefire! Which Hamas agree to (wow)!
Guess who doesn't?
Strange why did so many children die from bombs in Gaza in 2023 before that "ceasefire"?
Is a ceasefire when israel kills people and they don't fight back?
Ah, yes, and Israel will just continue their occupation and genocide of Gaza indefinitely. There's a reason Hamas exists you moron.
Why so serious citizen?