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Hunger Games is about revolutionary anti-imperial class struggle

George Lucas said the Empire is inspired by America and the Rebels by the Viet Minh

The Matrix was created by a trans woman and at least partly an allegory for being trans

Divergent is shitty lib fanfiction but very obviously anti-conservative

Alan Moore was a communist or anarchist

wow these movies are just like January 6th when we resisted communism by smearing our shit on the capitol walls!! so-true biaoqing-copium

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Blowing up a planet is just a generic "evil thing", it's like kidnapping a princess or burning down a village. People can imprint their values onto it, if you point out that their side has done the equivalent of planet blowing uping plenty, even more than the people they perceive as "The Empire" they can just dream up some justification.

Back to Andor, Andor shows The Empire doing evil shit that's a much closer analog to actual evil shit actual empire is doing in the world right now, it's harder to deny your side is The Empire the (though CHUDs will always at least try and pull off the mental gymnastics to do so).

Edit: also idk where you got "both sides" from my comment, my argument wasn't that Star Wars isn't clear on who the villain is, quite the opposite, just that's it's politics are vague enough that people can imagine the villains as being anyone they don't like. CHUDs see the Empire as culture-Marxist woke SJWs just as easily as leftists see the Empire as the U$A.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Andor was almost too good for star wars

the whole "the empire is basically using slavery and ramping up the horror to try to build the death star (analog for first atomic bomb) as fast as possible before the risk of a popular revolt becomes impossible to defend against".

the fact you could tell their political and military hold on power was very flimsy at first and they had to use liberal institutions and direct military occupation but had to move carefully at first.

if the whole "I DECLARE AN EMPIRE" thing palps did in the prequels could be retconned it would be almost perfection

explains so much in the end and deeply tied to material reality it breathed life into what i thought was a dead franchise and i dread the next season with how rushed it's going to be

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The point of the whole "I DECLARE AN EMPIRE" bit was that he didn't change the role of the republic much. The two were fundamentally the same at the time of the clone wars and the republic couldn't stop it. It's just a Hindenburg allegory.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i know i just wish he didn't say the line

could have just declared himself "lifetime chancellor ushering in a new Imperium" and by the next installment people are talking about palpatine's "Empire" and then just "the Empire"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love it because it is so blatant. I want Star Wars to be cartoonish with that shit honestly. Lucas making his Nixon/Bush stand in declare himself Hitler is just funny

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah people need to remember these are movies for children and that hamfisted nature should be expected.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

"I DECLARE AN EMPIRE"

that's a good bit idea for those solidjj videos