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French President Emmanuel Macron said last month that he “cannot exclude” the possibility of Western soldiers being sent to aid Kiev in its fight against Moscow, branding Russia an “adversary” while denying Paris was “waging war” against it.

Russia’s military and top officials have repeatedly pointed to the presence of French mercenaries already fighting for Kiev on the ground.

In the statement on Tuesday, the SVR chief said the French Armed Forces had become “concerned” about the rising number of French nationals dying in Ukraine.

The casualty level has supposedly surpassed a “psychological threshold” and could trigger protests, the statement said, adding that Macron’s government was concealing this information and “delaying” the moment it would have to be revealed.

The claims come as the chief of staff of the French Army, Gen. Pierre Schill, said in an interview on Tuesday that France is prepared to take part in the “toughest engagements” militarily, and is ready to face any international developments. He added that Paris could assemble a division of 20,000 troops within 30 days and an army of 60,000 by joining with divisions from other NATO allies.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has also claimed this week that Western mercenaries, including French nationals, are dying in Ukraine “in large numbers.” Commenting on a potential NATO deployment to Ukraine, the president also warned that this would be “one step shy of a full-scale World War III.”

Cross posted this from lemmygrad

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Even at the high end of a 60k multinational coalition, I don't get what that would achieve at this point in the war. Maybe if it was immediately after the first Russian offensive stalled, but two years in Russia now has a war economy. It has trade agreements for increasing numbers of drones and shells which it has refined through daily live fire against NATO vehicles, weapons, and tactics. Nothing within 70km of the frontline is safe from FABs and the Ukrainians squandered their chance to build defensive lines as they were mocking the Russians for doing so last year. They can shoot hypersonic missiles anywhere in the country, launch like 100+ daily sorties for FABs, and have a secure supply chain for their massive artillery advantage.

It's such WW1 logic to think that you can stop a fundamentally different kind of war by throwing another wave of obsolete troops into the meat grinder.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's not so much about turning the tide at this point, it's about keeping the grinder fed

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe European rulers have come to the conclusion that they need to keep the meat grinder running in order to stabilise their regimes? The big bad Russian bogeyman has proven incredibly useful for distracting the public and justifying austerity, crackdown on dissent and expansion of the security state. If the war stops Putin will no longer be as scary and people might start to ask why their schools are falling apart or why their roads are full of potholes or why nothing is being done to avert climate disaster. They might demand some kind of peace dividend.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Pretty much

That and nothing is more profitable than a war

I still remember when they jacked up food prices and blamed it on the war

Even for things that didn't use any products farmed or made in Ukraine

[–] [email protected] 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's the same level of strategic thinking as in low level MOBA games - one by oning into terrible fights and getting owned.

Nato confirmed bronzies

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The west needs to farm side lanes in order to catch backup in econ before they fight for big objectives.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

I don't like how in this analogy plundering the third world would be"farming the sidelanes"