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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but support from Capitalism isn't one of them.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be more precise, democratic capitalism. Just capitalism is economic system, has nothing to do with social issues.

And I will argue yes, democratic capitalism has something to do, because it is in these countries LGPT has the most rights.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You're claiming that economic systems have no impact on social issues?

And you're sure that a position of global dominance due to sitting atop the global neo-colonial system has nothing to do with it?

Does India count as a Capitalist Democracy for this? What about Malaysia, or Indonesia, or Nigeria, or Kenya?

Edit: Poland, Romania, Italy?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

OK, so we're calling 6 or 7 the cut off then? Or is the status of democracy limited to Scandinavia and New Zealand?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The world is not black and white, nor it is binary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You didn't answer the question.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We agree on that.

Can you see how culture correlates much better with LGBT rights than how high a nation gets on that democracy index, though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do not know how to measure culture, but the democracy index strongly correlates with LGBT rights. This is why I stated that democratic capitalism is one of the reasons. More over democratic capitalism does not mean capitalism with democratic elections. There should be democratic culture across the population, respect for minorities, for example, democratic institutions, such as independent courts and so on. Otherwise majority can just vote for the dictator into power with honest democratic elections. That would not be democracy, but the dictatorship of majority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So the reason that non-binary and transgender indivuals in India under the British empire lost rights and social standing was because the British Empire was less democratic than Mughal India and the remaining princely states?

That and the modern situation of non democratic PRC being about as LGBT friendly as much more democratic South Korea, and both much less than Singapore (less democratic than South Korea) makes that strong correlation very suspect once you look closely.

As for culture, I'd suggest breaking the map up into various culture groups as anthropologist have done, and see if that correlates to LGBT rights more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I do not claim that democratic capitalism is the only reason. But is is a contributor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Or possibly they both share a same reason, hence the correlation (but which does not imply causation, which is why noticing where correlation does not match implies a lack of causation).