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u/TheRealSlimLaddy - originally from r/GenZhou
There’s no need to be so combative. I’m on your side.

You’re trying to say state capitalism has “planning and free markets”

That isn’t what I’m saying at all. I’ve said that, verbatim, China’s economic system is fairly unique in its aspects of both planning and markets. I would consider it still within the umbrella of state capitalism.

It’s intellectually dishonest to compare Stalin’s USSR to modern China, because you and I both know that they are materially, fundamentally, very, very different.

Your definition of state capitalism is just overly simplistic.

Possibly, but then again I’m not defining state capitalism. You are. I’m saying China could be within its umbrella of meanings.

Public ownership is the principal part of the system.

What public ownership? AFAIK, most productive forces inside China are not owned collectively. Even if they were, the productive outputs in the capitalist market system they allow far outweighs the production of their publicly owned industry.

If you think we should “abolish markets” by government decree just because you don’t like them without any regards to the actual material conditions and don’t care about how that might harm material development, then I think you miss the point.

This, again, is not what I’m arguing. I currently do not see the CPC slowly dismantling the market system it has been allowing since their reform era. Xi Jinping himself said that, paraphrasing here, “China will not move away from this specific market system”.

Have you ever considered that maybe if your definition of socialism would lead you to say the literal freaking USSR is not socialist, then your definition of socialism is patently absurd and incredibly disconnected from the real world?

You say “literal freaking USSR” as if it’s supposed to be socialist in name and with no nuance.