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I mean, tbh, I'm a little more sympathetic on this than most Hexbears. Like, no, I don't think Putin is Satan incarnate, and yes, this whole mess is America's fault for trying to pull them into NATO. But broadly speaking all the stuff about Ukraine being Nazi-riddled as a casus beli falls flat when Putin has been happy to use far-right-wing groups like Russki Orbaz for his own benefit, and I don't think Russia is really a credible threat to western hegemony like China is, so I don't see how supporting Russia would be meaningfully revolutionarily defeatist. Sure, people like your friend are psychos who soaked up too much propaganda.
But the war is here now, and I think the only thing keeping your average Ukrainian from living in a war zone is western arms shipments, and tbh that's the only argument that I find really resonates with me.
EDIT: Lot of people big mad about this one lmao
Don't really disagree with much here.
But would it be wrong to say that a fairly significant difference is that while the Russian state is using fascist groups, in Ukraine it's the other way around and fascist groups are using and to some extent even controlling the state?
I dunno, but I just can't forget that classic video from before the invasion, where Zelensky was trying to get his (supposedly) own troops to stop shelling the eastern regions and they literally just laughed in his face and told him to gtfo.
I mean, maybe at some level but certainly not enough to make one side worth supporting over the other. Like ElGosso mentioned, the best thing is going to be what minimizes suffering for normal civilians, and I don't think that supporting Russia is the best way to that goal
Russia does not have an overt policy of cultural genocide in place for people in the contested territory, Ukraine does. That calculus makes Russia the path to fewer casualties imo