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Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.

Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo

Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting

Deeply unserious people

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The trots and succdems are currently the minority faction on the national political committee?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bread and Roses are Trots. They have almost out-sneaked themselves to the point that many members don't know their ideological heritage. Bread and Roses brought a Hong Kong protester to the 2023 convention and is anti-China in a precisely Trot way. Its internationalism focuses almost exclusively on independent trade unions, usually in opposition to anti-imperialist organizations and actions. They aligned with the libs to kill the BDS working group and do the exact same kinds of things that Maria did.

MUG is neo-Trot. They don't specifically highlight Trotsky but their focuses are all the things Trots in DSA care about and frame. They are less focused on causing drama, though.

SMC, Groundwork/GND are SocDems.

Red Star and Communist Caucus are the only not terrible DSA groups anyone might recognize. And they're still a bit lackluster because they're trying to reform a reformist org into something a bit more commie without being abrasive which is basically impossible given the opposition.

DSA itself arose from a Trot trying to be more reformist so it's not surprising to see that legacy everywhere.

Tallying up just B&R, SMC, and Groundwork, that's 11 of the 18 NPC positions. If you include MUG, it's 13 of the 18.

Source: some of my comrades try to do commie things in the DSA and complain to me a lot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Huh. I was misinformed. Why are there trots siding with the ML adjacent groups over other trots and succdems?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

There are specific reasons but don't forget that the people Trots fight with the most are always each other.

But basically they have different ideas about what direction to go in and how to "lead" "the movement". They're like little parties within a party but neither of those things is really a party at all. But seeking self-promotion and being more vanguardy than each other is part of it.