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Thousands of European flights reportedly affected by suspected Russian jamming (kyivindependent.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm gonna copypaste what I said in another reply to my comment (because I think it applies):

Not being in support of Ukraine is not the same as being in support of Vlad. Not at all. The only ones that MIGHT be pro Vlad, and I am not 100% sure of their position, are Vox.

There are a million reasons not to meddlr in these external affairs. Veing anti-war, our country not being precisely well economically, recognizing Ukraine is neither on NATO nor the EU, so interfering is riskier.

Global morals are all good and well, but the representatives should look for the well being of their voters, not everyone in the Globe.

Not saying they should say "fuck Ukraine", we have received a lot of Ukrainian refugees in Spain. But that doesn't mean we should get involved in their war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Not being in support of Ukraine is not the same as being in support of Vlad.

I agree in theory. But, in practice, not supporting Ukraine against Russia is a bit like not supporting Biden against Trump. To use an old Bushism, "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

Global morals are all good and well, but the representatives should look for the well being of their voters, not everyone in the Globe.

The counterargument in favor of supporting the Ukrainian side of the war is that Russia is an existential threat to Europe. And, to borrow another Bushism, "We need to fight them over there so we're not fighting them over here."

Not saying they should say “fuck Ukraine”, we have received a lot of Ukrainian refugees in Spain.

I agree here wholeheartedly. The first and foremost mission of any serious relief effort should be refugee relief and resettlement. But that's another thing the pro-war wings of big western states tend to be against. For all their hawkishness, the British and Americans have been the most stingy when it comes to absorbing refugees. Meanwhile, the more peacenik members of the EU - your Polands and Hungarys and Romanias - are taking on the lion's share.