Still don't get the irrational obsession with weed, if you fuckers allow beer and coffee then weed is barely a difference
At least it is a step forward from the current state: "Cannabis is not broccoli and it is not allowed because it is forbidden".
BTW for the uninitiated: That's the actual quote from the former federal drug officer. No joke - we wished it was.
To be precise, that's two quotes by two different, consecutive federal drug officers. Mortler justified a cannabis ban with its status as an illegal drug, her successor Ludwig pointed out that cannabis isn't broccoli.
I- what even- I'm speechless.
why forbid it then?
Title is misleading. Officially it's not possible to "buy" weed, you only get it from your social club "for free" with a monthly membership fee. Clever way to get around the "buying" aspect
Spain has a similar system, though even more poorly legislated, putting it in a weird grey zone.
as a german i feel divided, on one hand its a step in the right direction, on the other hand it doesn't go remotely far enough in my opinion.
I think this is perfect. Make it legal but non-commercial. It should not be allowed to make a profit off of other people's addiction and there shouldn't be financial incentives to get people addicted as quickly as possible.
I wish they would do the same for alcohol, tobacco, gambling, etc.
I would be very careful with that. Not official alcohol for example can be very dangerous if the person making it does not know about methanol, which is toxic. If it is not destilled properly, it can end up in the final mix and cause dangerous problems. I guess it goes with other drugs as well. People will still make a profit from it, just without taxes. It's just easier to justify having some plants at home. So the state is missing out on drug taxes, which could be quite high (lol).
So by creating drug stores, where you can buy controlled, legal drugs would be a lot mor profitable for the state, healthier for society and better for the consumer.
This half assed weird regulation will be used by the conservative parties to justify blocking further legalisation by arguing it's already free I guess
I think this is fine because while people should be allowed to do light drugs I don't mind making them jump through some hoops so that it's not that convenient. Alcohol and nicotine are definitely way too accessible and it affects perception of this law.
I use cannabis in Poland where we accidentally legalized it by allowing doctors to prescribe it online which combined with corruption means anyone who wants it can get it but it's not so obvious unless you're interested. It's a surprisingly OK compromise.
I think if you're not harming anyone else you should be allowed to do whatever you want. I don't see, why drugs are prohibited in the first place.
Well, who's gonna pay for your medical care when you inevitably develop drug problems/health issues. So in a socialized healthcare system, you are harming others with it.
(And not offering treatment or making the patient pay for it which they often won't be able to, would be very inhumane imo)
Well, who’s gonna pay for your medical care when you inevitably develop drug problems/health issues.
The same that pays for alcoholics, injuries from extreme sports and people suffering from heart attacks because of an unhealthy lifestyle already?
10 Dutch cities legalised weed not too long ago. They legalised the production and sale. The coffee shops and other shops in those cities all sell 100% legal weed. So, yeah…
@novibe Also, (I think,) weed is technically still illegal in the Netherlands, but for example possession up to 5g is tolerated by simply not enforcing the law.
Germany on the other hand fully legalized possession of up to 25g (50g).
Yes but in the cities that legalised it the limits are different. For growing and possession.
@novibe Yes, but that's still just experimental / in a testing phase and how most coffee shops operate currently is a legal grey area. And I don't expect that to change soon, because ultimately they can't fully legalize cannabis for the same reasons Germany could not: it would conflict with EU regulations.
But wouldn’t it be possible for cities to legalize it locally only then? Like… every city?
it reads like they will have weed guilds
Actually yes . They are told growing clubs but weed guilds is way better.
And I wonder what their naming thing deal would be like for the strains: "If you want to chill out for the night, Klaus, you could try this heavy indica called Teutonic Rail Safety Standards as we don't have train wreck in Germany."
I had a very quick look at the law. It's a first step. Better than nothing and long overdue. I'm thankful but the law itself seems to be in part contradictory.
I.e.: I'm allowed to grow three cannabis plants. Sounds good? I'm additionally not allowed to own more than 50 grams of cannabis plant material (buds, leafs and stem). How should i even grow a single cannabis plant without making myself culpable?
I guess we'll have to wait and see how these contradictions are handled by the courts.
50g ate the dry weight. You are allowed to posses 3 plants + 50g consume ready product. So, this should work out just nice with smaller plants
You are allowed to posses 3 plants + 50g consume ready product.
Sure. As long as the 3 plants are alive:
§ 3, Abs 2 CanG reads:
Personen, die das 18. Lebensjahr vollendet haben, ist abweichend von Absatz 1 im Geltungsbereich dieses Gesetzes an ihrem Wohnsitz oder an ihrem gewöhnlichen Aufenthalt der Besitz von Cannabis wie folgt erlaubt:
(1) von bis zu 50 Gramm Cannabis, bei Blüten, blütennahen Blättern oder sonstigem Pflanzenmaterial der Cannabispflanze bezogen auf das Gewicht nach dem Trocknen, und
(2) von bis zu drei lebenden Cannabispflanzen
https://dserver.bundestag.de/btd/20/104/2010426.pdf
Translated by Google:
By way of derogation from paragraph 1, persons who have reached the age of 18 shall be permitted to possess cannabis at their domicile or habitual residence within the scope of this Act as follows:
(1) up to 50 grams of cannabis, in the case of flowers, near-flower leaves or other plant material of the cannabis plant in relation to the weight after drying, and
(2) of up to three live cannabis plants
That is 3 plants that are alive(!). If I'm harvesting or the plant dies of other causes, the plant is no longer alive and I'm suddenly in the possession of much more than the 50 grams allowed by law (and the whole plant counts, not just the buds).
I mean in practice the key question will be, whether "my neighbour grows weed, i've seen a plant in the window" will still be probable cause for a search warrant or not.
If it won't be, then you'd be good realistically.
In that case, you’d be obliged to dispose of it quickly. Burning it is probably the safest option.
That is a non issue in my opinion. As long as it is not dryied yet you can process it. Just cook it out for example. Or use it as fertilizer.
As long as it is not dryied yet
The law doesn't make a distinction between dried or not dried. This is only used for measurement. It only distinguishes between alive and dead.
Just cook it out for example.
It's still a dead cannabis plant.
This law makes no sense in this regard. Allowing three plants just so you have to destroy two an a half of them.
And at one point in time you will be in possession of an illegal amount of cannabis. Even if it is for a short period of time. Sure, you probably won't be caught but it still seems to be illegal according to CanG
Seriously: a plant takes around 8 weeks to bloom, and can stay in that state for another 8 weeks. That is plentiful time to harvest and not all at once. Also, while the first one is blooming you can grow number two.
As someone who growed stuff at home in the past, it makes perfect sense to me.
With 3 plants you have always one blooming and two following. Time it correctly and you have a constant flow of supply without ever having more then 50g of dryied products.
After you are done harvesting, dispose the rest of the plant and be fine. As the stem of cannabis is mostly water, it will not weight anything near 25 g if dryied. If it does, your plants are larger, and I think this may be intentional to limit the amount of products that can be harvested. Over all, while not perfect, the law is much better then many seem to want give credit for.
I was co author of the largest pro canabis petition ever in Germany, and the author of the anti-alcohol petition (reusing the arguments of the lawmakers why canabis can not be legalized, and just replaced alcohol with canabis). I am fighting for this since 20 years. And this is a huge step forward. Yes, it is limited. But the limit is imposed by the EU and not the German government.
The law does make sense, if you put it into practice. In practice the dry weight amounts will probably just be checked on the street. Checking your home will require a warrant which isn't easy to come by, so they're not gonna bother about cases where it might be three or four plants or this or that many grams.
I think I'm going to need John Travolta to explain this one to me.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Already police in some parts of Germany, such as Berlin, often turn a blind eye to smoking in public, although possession of the drug for recreational use is illegal and can be prosecuted.
He wants to undermine the black market, protect smokers from contaminated cannabis and cut revenue streams for organised crime gangs.
A ferocious debate about decriminalising cannabis has been raging for years in Germany, with doctors' groups expressing concerns for young people and conservatives saying that liberalisation will fuel drug use.
Simone Borchardt of the opposition conservative CDU told MPs that the government had gone ahead with its "completely unnecessary, confused law" regardless of warnings from doctors, police and psychotherapists.
Original plans to allow licensed shops and pharmacies to sell cannabis have been scrapped over EU concerns that this could lead to a surge in drug exports.
This means that Germany could be in the paradoxical position of allowing possession of rather large amounts of the drug, while at the same time making it difficult to purchase.
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