New Israeli report alleging ‘systematic and intentional rape’ by Hamas relies on debunked Western media reports

[-] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is anyone else seeing these stories the last couple of days and bracing for some horrific evidence of

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The systematic and intentional rape of Palestinians by Isreali troops and settlers

thats probably like a week from coming out? We know it's all projection, we know they see Palestinians as "human animals", we've seen the contrast between the chipper umharmed Isreali prisoners and the traumatized wraithlike Palestinians that were released during the prisoner exchange. We've seen the piles of bloody body bags in the desert and the reports of organ theft. It's clear which side views the other as human beings and which side does not, howthe fuck are they gonna expect us to believe that akshually Hamas are the rapists, other than just banking on racism?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

I did not upvote this because I'm worried I will be accused of antisemitism

[-] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago

Not immediately reflexively endorsing every Israeli action in perpetuity is antisemetic, I've reported you to the ICC.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

one of the sources was literally "confidential information"

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

"Trust us bro"

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yikes lottt of posts ITT not giving lemmy a super great look

[-] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

Blegh every war is a crime. I don't know if there has ever been a war that didn't involve rape. Even the allies in WWII ("a just war") were infamous for that, both in the European and Pacific theaters. So it's not surprising now.

But yes, any Hamas who commit atrocities, may they burn in hell if there is such a place. Same as IDF and settlers who do so.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure the American troops are still raping people in Japan.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

Statistically, sure, there must've been rape cases in Japan with american perpetrators. I wouldn't say that's relevant in any way to the discussion, though.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-us-military-related-rapes-deaths-okinawa/

Didn't you read the comment I responded to?

[+] [email protected] -13 points 4 months ago

I don’t get the point of these arguments; people came across a border and opened fire on any person they saw! Just because they didn’t rape every single one of them as well does not make it any better.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago

In order to justify the Genocide you need to completely dehumanize Palestinians. That is the purpose of this propaganda. The same propaganda tactic has been used before.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

This is incorrect. The Palestinian fighters refrained from attacking Israeli civilians when they were able to. In many cases they did not do any harm to the Israeli civilians they interacted with and we're in fact courteous towards them. They targeted military and police instead. A currently unknown portion of the deaths of israeli civilians on 7/10 was from Israeli fire. Witnesses and available evidence indicate that Israeli infantry, tanks, and helicopters fired indiscriminately at civilians, militants, and homes with occupants. Israel refuses to investigate its forces' acts on 7/10 and destroyed and buried evidence (bombed cars).

[-] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago

So those videos that came out right after, like the ones from that festival where all fake? https://youtu.be/APAhJYIhXv4

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

What do you think that video shows? It does not show Palestinian fighters shooting civilians indiscriminately. It does show a scene of the aftermath of israeli fire on its own civilians' vehicles. It does not show Palestinian fighters doing anything outside of their legal rights.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

I feel like many people don't understand the horrors of modern conflict in dense urban areas,

We know from WWII that bombing civilian centers kills a lot of innocent people. It's not like anyone should be surprised that Israel's relentless bombing campaign is murdering thousands.

or have a good understanding that many of Israel actions are actually legal and justified.

Legal how? By their own decision? They've committed war crimes and violated military norms. Roughly 1,000 Israelis were killed in a cowardly attack by Hamas, so Israel is "justified" in murdering over 20,000 Palestinians who had nothing to do with the attack?

But unfortunately a number of Israelis also don't understand that just because civilians die in war it doesn't mean you can go out of your way to make it happen, and regardless of the enemy you are facing if you can't toe the line I hope you find yourself at the end of a public rope.

They've blocking aid. They're geared up to move in and build more settlements on stolen Palestinian land. The Israeli public is divided, but there's plenty of bloodthirsty soldiers sniping children and civilians foaming at the mouth to seize the land. There's no one holding these people accountable. The IDF lies with every breath and shields their people from justice.

Israel is no better than Russia (and probably worse).

[-] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

Considering the fact that Israel has killed more journalists, more healthcare workers, more aid workers, and more children during this conflict than Russia has in Ukraine I would say it is definitely worse. The invasion of Ukraine is wrong, but Gaza has become the world capital of war crimes.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Just compare the civilian deaths: UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine has verified 30,457 civilian casualties since 24 February 2022, including 10,582 killed and 19,875 injured.

[+] [email protected] -20 points 4 months ago

Media bias / fact check for The Grayzone:

Overall, we rate The Grayzone Far-Left Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories, and consistent one-sided reporting.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

As I’ve said before, Media Bias/Fact Check is a joke.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

(Commenting in hopes it helps me remember to read these and check into it later when I have more time 😅)

[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Far-Left

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm stealing that drawing. It's awesome. Did you make it?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Haha I wish I did. Just copied an emoji from Hexbear lol

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