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[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Oh no $20 to remove ads from an app that was made by one guy as his full time job. I'm proud to support anyone who works hard to make a more accessible, more enjoyable experience.

Oh no ads track you! My full time job is literally managing Google ads. We barely tracked you personally as it was. We could anonymously target generally the things you were interested in buying or what you've recently been looking at online.

And then Google killed Google Analytics and it's a shell of what it once was, and your data is even more anonymous!

If I work for a lawnmower company I couldn't give a shit who you are or what you do online, all I care about is if you're thinking about buying a lawnmower, so my client can show you what he's got to offer. Then you can ignore the ads if you don't like the product or its price point. That's what Google does.

I'd rather that than be shown "Generic Chinese cashgrab mobile game ad that doesn't actually reflect the gameplay" ads.

The guy worked hard to make possibly the best UI/UX on the platform. Either pay for his work or let him get the (barely any) money from showing ads to pay for his time. Either way, he worked for it.

Do you work full time for free too?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think most people worry about lawnmowing company. They worry about Google.

What google essentially sale is manipulation: they make money by changine your behavior, which is a extermely dangerous business in a democratic society. What makes it even more dangerous are

  1. It is a for-profit company, which means people with more money have more power to manipulate the general public
  2. It caters to U.S. government (since it is based in the U.S.), which is one of the most imperialistic governments today, with a terrible record of over-surveillance.
  3. Everything can be hacked, all the information that is stored will be leaked sooner or later. And these data can easily fall into the wrong hand; in fact, they tends to fall into the wrong hand.
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's all perfectly sensible things to be concerned about. But given that we're talking about an android app - if you're eligible to use the app, Google almost certainly already has all your data anyways.

Yeah I'm sure there's a tiny subsection of the people in these discussion who have custom ROMs flashed, but the vast majority are posting about Google tracking them on a google phone - or (even more annoyingly) posting about it from a phone that doesn't even support the app, and so doesn't remotely affect them

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The ads are what supports the developer. $20 to remove them is just a better bulk upfront deal than waiting for fractions of pennies to come together over time. The $100 version is a straight up grift though. I cannot overstate this, the ads are what supports the dev. There is nobody here not getting paid for their work.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are companies that aggregate all the data from Google and other services to match your anonymous data to your actual person so they can match your address name and all personal information to what you do online

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is a great post - I agree with your take.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Where/when exactly do the ads pop up? I've been using for a few days now and I haven't paid anything yet I see no ads. Is it a Beta thing?

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A Sync user loves Lemmy enough to pay for it and isn’t wrapped up in drama spun by FOSS advocates. Be proud.

That being said, I love FOSS.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah nah fuck that Sync hate, I don't use it personally but if someone wants to use it, all the best to them and have a jolly ride in the lemmy part of the fediverse

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

"I don't use it myself" LIAR, BURN THE HERETIC

/s

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I like sync because I don't have to interact with or smell the poors. Good job sync team 👍

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Perfect response. I not usually one who is made fun of for being bougie, but why not pay for an app that I've used for nearly a decade and can easily afford?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

F that noise. I'm here and active because Sync came out, and I've become used to its interface over the years. I'll eventually try the other FLOSS apps but I'm here learning and enjoying first.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, op, don't feel shamed about using sync, it's a great app that's worth using. I use it. Lots of us use it. The hate is a knee-jerk reflex to the sudden influx of excited reddit sync users who have migrated to lemmy and talked a lot about sync. I think FOSS users were expecting a FOSS-type option and were shocked when that wasn't the case. Then you also had users who were just mad that it would cost more to be used here than it was on reddit.

No one hates you for using sync.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Welcome buddy. Welcome all sync users. The greatest part of the decentriverse is it's not yours or mine, it's no one's. Do as you please.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

I found out about Lemmy BECAUSE of Sync. I'm a huge FOSS supporter but that doesn't mean I'll trash anything that isn't open source.

Much more importantly, I'd really like to see Lemmy succeed against data mining trash like Reddit. Let's not dissuade potential converts coming over from Reddit with this gatekeeping nonsense. These manipulative parasitic social media companies are the real enemy here. Sync is one guy making one app with a one time purchase. Everyone is still welcome to use open source apps, the website or any other means of accessing the community. Sync is not your enemy.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How I feel using, and liking, Jerboa

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm on Jerboa too, what's the problem with it? I like the rat

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I wanted RIF to support Lemmy

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same boat, I like FOSS, using linux for 20+ years yada yada android custom ROM hack stuff what not, but 10 years ago I tested all the reddit app, Sync was far superior so I bought it for like 3$. Now Sync for Lemmy is an impressive experience compared to Jerboa or Connect for instance, so I forked the 20$ for the noads version. Dev looks like a great guy, I have no problem with this.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

While the cost and ads are enough to keep me using the free options, everyone should just use whatever they want.

More Lemmy users = more content on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh. I call Lemmy users "Lemmers". Is "Lemmies" the agreed term?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I think «lemmings» is more common.

https://lemmy.ml/post/59721

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's weird how upset people are getting over memes about sync. It's a shame because the memes are pretty funny.

None of the FOSS advocates actually care that you use Sync unless they're going to your house and uninstalling it when your not looking.

And there's a lot of misconceptions about free software. Free Software is opposed to proprietary software, not paid software. All projects, whether free or proprietary require compensation of some kind, or else they wouldn't exist.

There is a legitimate debate around if proprietary software is ethical. The whole existence of the free software movement is because the proponents of it saw proprietary software as unethical.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I set up sync to look as much like Alexandrite as I could, its a nice bit of consistency when I switch to desktop from mobile and vice versa.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not enough people know about alexandrite. It's definitely my favorite web interface.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to love Sync, but hear me out: Infinity is FOSS and it currently is much nicer and easier to use.

I'm grateful to the creator of Sync for bringing over the app to the Fediverse, and I'll never begrudge anyone for sticking with it or even paying an outrageous price to not have to see ads even though Lemmy has none to begin with. All I'm saying is, you just switched from Reddit to Lemmy, now's the perfect time to try something new.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm a long time Sync supporter and paid for ad-free Sync for Lemmy, but I can agree that Infinity is definitely a good competitor. I'm juggling them both right now, and they're both fantastic.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't see why people are so against the developer using ads. If you don't like them, you can remove them yourself with an adblocker, you don't need the dev to do that. If you consider ads an ethical violation, you shouldn't see using an adblocker as unethical.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or get this. Pay to remove them. Should people not be compensated for their hard work?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's not really my point. If people are demanding that everything should be free, they can just make them free and stop whining about it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Apollo would introduce Lemmy support I would immediately pay for it. Even though I am actually really happy with Memmy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I rolled my own Infinity for Reddit after the Great API block. It's so inferior to Sync.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I disagree with the rest of the people itt. Downvote me NOW

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am curious why you like about it. I was a Relay user, and it was the only one that was really good for me. I didn't care for sync, it seemed ok, but not quite good enough.

But after moving to Lemmy I went with Jerboa and Thunder. Both are good enough. What could sync possibly have that you pay for?

I know for relay I miss: auto mute. Everything is mute by default. Then slow and fastforward for all media, and a download button.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sync is the only 3rd party app I have ever used that actually has fantastic material you design. I have a pixel phone and quite like material you look. I prefer all my apps support this superior look, other apps try but none get anywhere close to that amount of polish Sync has.

TLDR: Sync is fucking gorgeous and no alternatives come close to being as sexy

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

not OP, but the main selling point of Sync is an absolutely top notch buttery smooth and good-looking UI, adhering to Google's Material Design.

it looks and feels like a Google-made app, only it's made for nerds, so it's more configurable and maybe a bit bolder in terms of innovation.

in geneal this means: no loose ends, no jarring or lazy design, no janky transitions, and focus on ease of use (configurable gestures, bottom screen nav).

of course you'll always find this one niche feature that someone Absolutely Needs which it doesn't have... and that's ok. can't have them all. but it covers 90 % of the bases. and in terms of polish, you'd be hard pressed to find better. incl. Apollo, in my opinion (though it was some years ago that i used it).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jerboa has been treating me right so far

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I was using both jerboa, liftoff before sync came along. But my problem with both was effectively less dense information. And hard to navigate comments. The more I have to scroll the more I dislike it. Sync is good at packing information densely if you wish to do so. But also good at spacing it out if you like that layout.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Isn’t this exactly what people should want though? Both FOSS and commercial options?

If you don’t want to pay, there is an option for that.

If you want to pay and (in theory), get a better experience, there would be an option for that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So while I understand the love for FOSS and an Ad Free Experience, somebody still has to pay for the server time. Now I know this doesnt exactly work in THIS scenario with Sync, but couldnt ads and paid subs in Apps be a good way for Lemmy/KBin instances for be financed without having to rely on donations?

For Example, imagine if Lemmy.ml had their own app with their own experience and if you wanted to support it without actually handing over money, now you could use ads in the mobile experience and feel a little better about your lurking.

Just a thought.

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