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It will be open source, end to end encrypted using Signal’s double ratchet encryption protocol, and he plans to make it easy for fediverse platforms to integrate it. The beta will release later this month.

He’s also the creator of https://fedidb.org btw

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (4 children)

While I doubt I could get my friends and family on yet ANOTHER messaging app in the year of our lord 2023.

Sup. Is a fucking brilliant name.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could be a fantastic way to replace dm, that's my first thought.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember idly wondering how DMs worked in Lemmy, and I was kinda shocked when I realized they aren't secure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"secure" is relative. They may not be e2e encrypted, but they are still encrypted via TLS, like any HTTPS traffic. It's the same encryption used for online banking. If you care about your instance admin being able to read your messages, you should use Signal or a Matrix client though.

But remember that only a few years ago, almost nobody used e2e encryption, and it wasn't much of an issue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I personally hate the name, but only because I had a roommate in college who would start every conversation with “sup.”

On text messages, IMs, in person, you name it. It really started to get under my skin.

But I hope the software is good.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. That’s what he’d do. So basically he’d always want you to start the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No man, you're just supposed to say "Sup." back to them and then repeat ad nauseum.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

After a few sups, the least dominate of the two has to say "nunmuch chu?"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

So, you're playing a little Playstation, huh? That's whack. Playstation is whack. 'Sup with the whack Playstation, 'sup?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

(what')SUP 🤪

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think it will integrate with the existing fediverse

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Desktop fscking client, please. Not electron based would be nice, yes? QT is good.

ICQ-style or old Skype-style user directory would be wonderful too. VoIP is not something I'd care about, file transfers are.

This is cool.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chill, you’re not the only one here.

VoIP in a mainstream messenger is something that most people use nowadays to avoid calling people from their SIM cards which costs them much.

Video calling too is something I personally use too especially on iMessage or Telegram.

I’m a software engineer, I appreciate some old school things that work perfectly well like ICQ or Vim or emacs or working only with shortcuts. But you know what’s also a shortcut? Not having to use 50 different messengers just because this one doesn’t have VoIP and I can’t bring my friends or my mom here but I can bring only my nerd friends”.

This is all business and target audience oriented. You are not the only target audience out there and especially when you don’t demand from a messenger to be able to have VoIP. Even Instagram has VoIP these days. A photo-video-media sharing app. Let alone a messenger.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Chill, you're not the only one here.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I wonder, what 'works with the fediverse ' could mean for a messenger and what could be features not already implemented by different messengers, like elements or the very signal.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your link, https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292%20sup.%20is%20an%20open%20source%20encrypted%20fediverse%20instant%20messenger,%20similar%20to%20whatsapp,%20made%20by%20pixelfed.%20%20The%20beta%20will%20be%20launching%20later%20this%20month,%20and%20btw%20most%20fediverse%20accounts%20will%20work,%20not%20just%20Pixelfed%20%F0%9F%98%89 is broken. I think you accidentally copied the body text as well. Cleaning up the link results in https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110836811082599292, which works fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks, fixed.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Great news that it will work across the fediverse. I'd love to try pixefed, but its got too much of a walled garden thing going on since nobody I know uses it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just uninstalled Pixelfed. Mostly because the app is absolutely garbage on Android, and the developer made it look like an iOS app.

The app is just so dead. I'm happy to revisit later, but as for now I'll stick with posting my stuff on Mastodon and Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

this rocks actually. I've kinda wanted this for a while

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of Pixelfed, or instaclones. But the idea of a messenger e2ee that works with all the fedi is such a awesome idea.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are you not a fan? I'm genuinely curious, as I'm vaguely evaluating such software.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not OP but personally I just don't like picture centric social media. Just not my thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AP isn't really meant for real-time communication

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I think AP will just be used as account authentication/creation with Signal software as the backend, but this is speculation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

so this is basically fb messenger but it works with twitter, YouTube and reddit (their federated alternatives mastodon peertube lemmy) and is e2ee!

super cool!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think this could convince the rest of the family to switch off Line, but I'm pulling for it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I want this at the ActivityPub level, for direct/group messaging at least.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm very excited for this too. The fact that the majority of the comments are not "ewww who whants ANOTHER chat client" really shows how much demand there is for something like that in this crowded space.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Nice. This sounds like a federated signal messanger? Why not using matrix or xmpp? 🤨

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what the fediverse brings to an E2EE IM app. They seem like contradictory concepts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you use matrix with a lemmy or mastodon account?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's awesome

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I just saw this on Mastodon and was about to post it here. 😄

Pretty cool idea. Though I'm not looking forward to trying to convince my friends to switch to yet another new platform. 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I’m not leaving Signal until someone implements keeping data at rest encrypted on both ends and requires multi factor unlock (bio+pin is my choice).

So sick of E2E clients that leave the data in plaintext on the devices and then back it up in plaintext to the cloud.

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