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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuckin' what? Is this meme 10 years old or what?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have G533 which are even discontinued from production, they have no real latency.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You clearly haven't used wireless headphones in last 10 years, have you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you use the gamingest headphones with proprietary dongles, you can get decent latency. But then you're sacrificing on sound quality or ANC, and if you have multiple devices you want to use them with (eg a console and a PC), you have to either physically move the dongle between them, or suffer with Bluetooth lag and connection hassles on one of them.

Bluetooth is still bullshit in terms of latency. It will get better with LE Audio, but whether it will get good enough is anyone's guess, and it's still in its infancy and support is almost non-existent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

yeah but if we incorporate Bluetooth in this discussion, then Bluetooth mice and keyboards suck for gaming just as much.

I completely agree with you on that, though. It baffles my mind how, in 2023, in the version 5.2, Bluetooth still sucks so hard in terms of latency.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't consider Audio-Technica anywhere "gaming" related, can be pricey though.

I have a ATH-G1WL (wireless) and ATH-AVA400 (wired) and cannot hear any difference in sound quality what-so-ever, except the 3m cable I have to fiddle with now, which I also have to physically move when changing devices.

Bluetooth also sucks for mice and keyboard, so yeah...

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I'll never understand wireless keyboards. They just sit on the desk? Why go through the hassle of charging it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You can use the Keyboards cable to charge your phone, when that s full you can go back charging and using the keyboard with cable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Cables are ugly

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wireless headsets are amazing. It is so nice to just be able to walk away from your desk while still hearing the video you were listening to

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem with latency is a bluetooth problem. Get one that doesn't use bluetooth or Infrared and you're golden. Idk about cheaper ones but my steelseries headphones are amazing with zero latency.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I've got a Logitech that uses a WiFi dongle and never noticed problems.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In fact I'd go as far as say that unlike most mice and in particular all keyboards (which make 0 sense in wireless), wireless headphones are pretty neat. They fix two big issues:

  • Getting up in the middle of a call to grab a coffee or so.
  • Accidentally yanking wires when swiveling in your chair. You instinctively let go with your hands, so you don't pull the KB or Mouse, but you don't always remember to actively take of the headset before you yanked it again.
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wired best because i don't need to charge it and there is no possibility of signal jamming by operating a microwave.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If operating a microwave interferes with any of your 2.4GHz networks, you need a new microwave.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

But then how will he ever join the X-Men?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nope, my Microwave is older than i am and I'm not going to replace it until it breaks. It works perfectly, not even the light bulb burned through after almost 30 years of semi regular operation.

I don't have the right to replace something that worked longer than me without it being broken.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It works perfectly

Aside from letting it's waves get out of the "isolated" cage, you mean.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No Faraday cage is perfect. They are all just attenuators. Likely the amount of microwave leakage allowed used to be greater when it was just safety in mind. Has the FCC updated in 30yr for microwave leakage to protect communications?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only issue I’ve ever had with wireless headphones is the ear piercing screech they do when the battery is running low

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Sennheiser GSP 370. I literally cannot tell if the have latency, and being Sennheisers they sound really nice, too.

But this particular pair beats one the big issue I've always had with wireless headphones, having to charge them... these have 100 hours of battery life.

I don't charge them for weeks. And when they do finally complain about low battery, you still have more than enough juice to finish that night of gaming, and one more, before actually plugging them in. Unless you leave them unused for months, or don't plug them in at the end of the session when they do get low, they are ALWAYS ready to be used.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I use wireless headphones nearly exclusively now but hate wireless mice and keyboards....

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The latency has been good for a while. The sound-quality has also caught up recently too with stuff like the Audeze Maxwell

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My wireless headphones have a double battery meaning I never have to charge them. My wireless mouse and keyboard are always connected as they run out of battery to fast..

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I just prefer cable for those two. For the keyboard cable makes no difference to me. Mice cables have come a long way and a good one is barely noticeable.

Headphones though, I'm never going back to the cord. Both Sony XM and Bose QC work great for me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use the Sennheiser Momentum 4 with no latency problems at all.

Although gaming is usually on speakers for me (Edifier) and that's all cables.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The problem with a personal endorsement is that you never know if it's actually good or if the person is bad at noticing it.

[–] altima_neo 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Ironically, if they were analog wireless, thered be no latency at all

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Even cable has latency...

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

my biggest issue with (my specific) wireless headphones is that the sound is shit when i am also using the mic. other than that, theyre fine

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

As long as you use headphones and a bluetooth adapter that both support APTX LL (low-latency), it's instantaneous for me. Same as using it wired.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a gamer and (almost) audiophile, any solution besides wired is just dancing around tradeoffs to get a worse result for more money. I'll stick with my cord.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is it any different vs headphones working via WiFi?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

audio quality too, man the difference that I have experienced is night and day between my 80$ DUNU Titan S IEM and the 200$ Razer Opus 2021, the Opus is now mostly sitting collecting dust

Go watch Crinacle:)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wireless Mice and Wireless Keyboard are a no for me.

Not because of latency, but because of the annoyance of needing to charge them.

I technically have a wireless mouse, that I just keep wired perpetually.

Wireless sounds nice because it's clean, but it's terrible to use because of the nature of a battery being finite.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really like my steelseries artics 7. Battery last so long, I sometimes forget when I last recharge them.

Also amazing reach, I can go anywhere in my house while keep on listening.

I use wired keyboard and mouse, because they're always in the same place and the cords don't bother me.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hm. The only wireless thing on my gaming engine are the headphones, because I stepped over the cables a few times

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this on Linux or Windows? Haven't noticed anything on Linux...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's just inherent in bluetooth

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about 2.4 GHz based wireless? I know logitech has that tech but I haven't looked into audio latency since I used wired anyways, but I have been curious about it

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

The affordable stuff is usually cabled, so I use that.

You rich asses talking about latency, I'm just out here trying to keep gaming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The biggest issue imo is the microphone quality. Audio quality and latency have improved a lot over the years but so many wireless headsets still have garbage mic quality. The Logitech g pro lightspeed costs $250 and sounds worse than a $10 Webcam mic. I only went wireless after the razer blackshark 2023 came out. The microphone is by far the best mic I've heard in a wireless headset.

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