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Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Standard Time all year round.

"Changing clocks twice a year is hazardous to your health.Β  There are many studies showing that changing the clock and staying on Daylight Saving Time negatively impacts our circadian rhythm, causes increases in strokes and heart attacks, impacts people with depression and seasonal affective disorder and causes more car accidents.Β 

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time. Even if one person is saved from having a stroke or heart attack or is saved from a car accident, it's worth it. Β Support the health and safety of Canadians and set an example for the rest of the world. Β 

Follow the scientific research. Do the right thing and not just the easy and uninformed thing. Β Don’t change the clocks. Leave them on Standard Time year round. Do not spring forward."

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Agree with the sentiment but these online petitions are worthless in my opinion

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely, first I think it is a provincial jurisdiction, and for instance QuΓ©bec already said that they will align with NY state jurisdiction, so this petition is useless.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

I'll agree, with one exception (which might prove the rule): www.ourcommons.ca which hosts official House of Commons petitions (I believe some provinces have a similar website).

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No. I want daylight savings time all year round. Standard time is balls.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I couldn't care less about which mode we're on. It's like debating if we should remain sitting down or standing up to avoid getting punched in the face or the dick. Just stop fucking hitting us!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I want more sunlight in the evening for my activities after my 9-5 job!

What's the fucking point of having sunlight at 5am if I'm fucking sleeping?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe we also should talk about not needing to work so many hours that it's necessary to ration the sun then, too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

9-5 is not too many hours. It having to be 9-5 is a bigger problem.

If this guy could work 8-4 instead, the clock choice would not matter.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

9-5 is not too many hours.

Yes, it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ooh, maybe that's what we should do... during the winter months when there's less daylight we can shift our working hours, then in the summer months we can shift our working hours back. Then there's no need to change the time!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Some good analysis on why having summer time as the permanent time would be good for safety

https://drivingintherealworld.com/turning-back-time-a-strike-against-pedestrians-literally/

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Daylight Time all year round.

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time.

So uhh.. which is it?

I want the current time (DST) forever and will sign accordinly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It was the latter. Op seems to have updated their post accordingly.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Good initial, but why not do a proper Citizen Petition in your state instead of a scam for profit website?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I think that would have to go by province, in Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Honest question. Can someone tell me of any time an online petition actually amounted to change in the real world?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I'm not sure about these "change" petitions which always seemed to me as just a way to gather user data. But, go to the House of Commons website where you will be able to view actual petitions to the government of Canada. There, you can sign them and/or create your own. If you're lucky, the government may even respond with some thoughts/excuses. πŸ™‚

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I just hate how in Toronto the sun comes up/goes down an hour too early year round

This won’t change that though, I need to live at the western edge of a timezone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

I think the whole world just adopt a single time. We'd just get used to midday being 9pm and eating dinner at 2am. No more time zones to worry about.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not as simple as that because first: Timezones make it pretty obvious that you have to think or even calculate if it's currently the day or middle of the night. If you want to call someone in another country it's obvious that you'd first have to figure out their local time. If everyone used the same time than this would be easy, but you would've still have to figure out which time range is day time and night time so no benefit there.

For a lot of countries that would also mean that every "solar day" will be two calender days. You wake up at 19:00 March 1st. and just before lunch the date switches to March 2nd. It would be a mess.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Worldwide UTC now!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

UTC is a thing and used by many industries!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

China only has has one time zone for the whole country. Daylight savings can go, but I can understand that because of the earths orbit around the sun there is a need for time zones, I think most people agree that wherever you are, 6am should be morning time, unless everyone wants to move over to military time, and just have a 24 hour clock. It would take some getting used to, but that would be the only way to truly get rid of time zones.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Much of Europe is already using 24hr time.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

It would make it so much harder to schedule meetings if I didn't have a handy internationally standardized conversation table that was incorporated into all software to help me know when someone's working hours are.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

IIRC didn't a recent prime minister (probably Trudeau) say that we would do it if the US also did it? I agree that DST is a mistake but I think doing it without coordination of the US would be cause fare more pain than benefits.

The EU also recommended member states to stop doing DST if I recall correctly. So it seems like if the US can be convinced the world would pretty quickly move away from DST.

On the other hand aren't the health concerns mostly bunk? I remember seeing a lot of studies that noted an uptick of various issues during a DST transition but closer inspection revealed that the vast majority of this effect was time-shifting of issues that were going to happen anyways. Basically if you were going to have a heart attack in the next week you will have it during the jump, but if you look at the week or month overall there was no statically significant change. I do admit that I am behind on research here though. Are there any well reviewed meta-analysis that are showing significant results?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yes, there is some decent research on this though nothing super definitive because most research is still very local. Specially on traffic accidents, most security experts agree that having DST permanent would be beneficial.

I'm the opinion that having fewer crashes would offset the mild annoyance of being 1 hour out of sync with the US, but I'm not too strong on this stance either. We have other things that have higher return for same level of effort to implement... like better car lighting regulations that as always the US (NHTSA) is fucking motionless and we're locked to them.

I'd put all chips to eliminating RTOR but I don't expect to see that in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Daylight Time all year round.

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time.

Is the first line supposed to be Standard Time?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Get rid of dst yes, not make it permanent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Doesn't matter. We can change the schedule instead of changing the clocks.

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