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[–] [email protected] 56 points 8 months ago (4 children)

JUST LET YOUR PLAYERS BE AWESOME SOMETIMES

I know it's frustrating if your player is a golden god at dealing with some types of situations which defeat your effort to make a challenge for them, but this is one of the cheapest and easiest ways you can enable them to have fun in your game. There will be other situations which present genuine challenge, but it doesn't all have to be super hard. It is okay to let them flex.

What's the point of the mechanics including badass abilities if you're gonna get all frustrated if your players start to become badass sometimes

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this might be a joke.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, probably so. I'm just slightly concerned that maybe someone will read someone else joking about just using all stuff with CON saves instead, and think that it is for real and that is the way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For reference, I definitely did mean my comment as a joke, and I hope folks know that I am not advocating for this DM vs player style of gameplay.

P.S. how do you make an instance agnostic comment link?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

P.S. how do you make an instance agnostic comment link?

You don't 🥲

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's frustrating because when you click on those, if you then want to vote/comment you have to figure out how to manually get to the same place from your own instance/client. Probably would be hard to fix too since it looks like the comment id or whatever is different depending on what instance you are viewing it from.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It would require ActivityPub to be prescriptive about how you're supposed to do certain elements of your application, if you choose to do those parts. This is Markdown, this is how you write a link to something in your instance, this is how you handle a threaded community, this is what disliking a message looks like. From my outsider's perspective it seems like it wouldn't have been that challenging to lay down guidelines for it.

Eh, whatever. I have my gripes but they're working on it and it seems okay. It just seems that each application is a sort of little walled garden that works (mostly) with other instances of the same app, but for anything other than that same app all bets are off, which seems like a shame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Often times the best way to make them feel badass is to feign frustration as the DM though!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I agree! There are limits to it all, but its up to you as a dm to make it fun for everyone and letting players flex is included in it! I have a lvl 5 paladin the dm has huge issues hitting and its hilarious sometimes! That said, i cant hit for shit so this makes it fun for the dm as well. My team mates have once just looked at me and the last skeleton warrior duke it out while the rest was dead. It couldnt hit me and i was constantly missing my attacks. We were all laughing our arses off haha

[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago

No, but it can get me to uncanny dodge.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Poison gas cloud with con save

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Or mind-affecting stuff with will saves.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Fuck it, spells with CON saves only from now on

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Int saves. They make up for their rarity in devastating consequences.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rogues get int save proficiency, better to use wis or cha.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ah crap you're right, charm it is then.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then the barbarians can get immunity!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I guess the fey and intellect devourers will just need to team up to take them down with combined int/wis/charisma saves.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The whole planet implodes

Rogue: 20 + 8 DEX save

Everyone else is dead and everything is gone, rogue "wins".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Make the implosion a Con save

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

To be fair, our rogue there is rolling better than average. Some nights just go your way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Never been a fan of evasion being able to nullify aoe damage. You can't just evade the fire that's engulfing your entire body. Should be quarter damage rather flat out zero damage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

environmental damage is the answer here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

That's why I like monks. Lots of saves!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Hm... Is there a spell in any official book that can turn you incorporeal and therefore Immune to all damage but also incapable of interacting with objects and unable to deal damage physically? 🤔

I know there's a few that sound like they would from the name, but rule wise don't actually make you impervious. Like being phased or blink or whatever the one where you're just visibly blurry.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The Rime of the Frostmaiden adventure book has this:

https://5etools-mirror-2.github.io/adventure.html#idrotf,12,b4.%20main%20room

A character killed by the Summer Star becomes an ethereal spirit bound to the Black Cabin

It's a DC 17 CON saving throw for 10d10+35, save halfs. This is at around character level 5-6. Rogues searching for shines are gonna have to shut the fuck up for the rest of the session. Unless you roll like garbage and they roll like gods, in which case... Idk man, they've earned it, let them enjoy it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I like the idea of being killed by a boss and instead of rolling a new character, you're stuck at the base camp as a ghost the rest of the campaign. lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0019.html

Looking forward to this for my character. One more level... :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

What are you talking about? Relevant comic btw

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Doooooooodge

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Cat's Cafe! My favorite comic.