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Outrage in Spain as video shows Madrid police ‘violence’ on unarmed black men (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Leftwing parties in Spain are demanding explanations after a video appeared to show a pair of police officers using violent force on two unarmed black men in a central Madrid neighbourhood.

The video, shot on Friday in Lavapiés, appears to show one of the men on the ground and immobilised by a police officer who seemingly has him in a chokehold.

As video of the encounter swiftly spread across social media, a police source told the Europa Press news agency that the two men had been arrested for undermining authority.

In questions submitted to parliament, Errejón noted that the video appeared to show “an aggression” by two police officers, carried out on one man he described as immobilised and another who was not resisting.

Errejón called on the interior ministry to clarify whether an investigation had been opened into the officers’ behaviour, asking: “What measures will be taken in response to citizen complaints regarding the existence of police violence against migrants in the Lavapiés neighbourhood?”

“This is a situation that we live daily,” said Serigne Mbayé, a former regional politician and now the antiracism secretary for Podemos, in a video posted online from the protest.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's surprising that these acts have shown up on the news roll. I recall that 10-15 years ago we would have more recorded instances of police brutality in Spain, usually involving local police. Edit: also the shameful acts of the national police when the rodea el congreso demonstration took place.

I don't think the amount of acts like this has been declining, but rather a byproduct of the disgraceful ley mordaza, which the current government pledged to remove and never got around to.

In other words, it's surprising that this video has managed to make its way up to the news roll, but ultimately nothing new under the sun.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

What were they being arrested for though?

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

If “THEY WERE NO ANGELS” was a Lemmy account…

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

the two men had been arrested for undermining authority

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

[+] [email protected] -17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is Europe.

Edit: this is a reference. If you don’t get the reference look it up or save your breath.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Yeah, because cops from other continents, such as North America, would famously NEVER be needlessly violent towards black people.. 🙄

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Well the thing is, this isn't just a thing in Spain, or just a thing in Germany, or just a thing in France, or just a thin in Italy, or Croatio, or Hungary, or Austria, the Netherlands, or Belgium or Poland...

It is a specifically european problem in the context of the EU, as opposed to just a problem in a single member state.

That doesn't deny that it is also a problem on other continents.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I would say police brutality does not really knows border, a truly international habit. And actually Europe, at least some places are rather less into it than it's the case around the world.

[-] Blizzard 5 points 3 months ago

... or anyone else.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“But what about the Americans” is literally the weakest argument in this context.

Police violence against minorities is happening right now in our cities. It’s not just an American problem, despite what you might think if your watch the news.

That is why I said, this is Europe.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

“But what about the Americans” is literally the weakest argument in this context.

In most contexts it would be a whataboutism, yes, but not this specific one.

Your comment consisted only of characterizing it as a specifically European problem, which my reply is a valid refutation of.

Police violence against minorities is happening right now in our cities. It’s not just an American problem

Nobody's claiming otherwise.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Your comment consisted only of characterizing it as a specifically European problem

No I did not.

Should I have said “this is Europe too”?

Let me guess, you think I should also say “black lives matter too”?

Your transparent and instrumental deliberate misinterpretation of my words is your concern, not mine.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

"This happens in all of Europe, not just Spain" would have been better, if that's what you meant to say.

Your transparent and instrumental deliberate misinterpretation of my words is your concern, not mine.

I'm not a mind reader. I replied to the most likely intended meaning based on the words used. If you wanted to say something else, you should have used other words.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I told you what I mean, and still you seek to quarrel with me. Why?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Just correcting your false assumptions, that's all 🤷

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Listen. I’m going to explain it to you like you are five.

“This is America” is a phrase often used to lament police misconduct in the US. By adapting it I explicitly referenced US police misconduct, thereby saying “we have this problem too”. Only if you are ignorant or in bad faith could you interpret this explicit reference to the African American struggle against police violence as “this happens only in Europe”.

If there are mistaken assumptions they are yours and yours alone.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Upvote for explaining the reference. But to expect the average reader to know that is a bit far stretched.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

That's a hell of a lot to expect people to infer from 3 words, especially when the phase you're adapting IS specifically about it being especially bad in America compared to everywhere else, which it is.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Thoughts really glide off you like water off a duck huh?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Nope. Pointing out your mistaken assumptions ≠ not understanding your subsequent explanations.

Or, to explain it like you're five: not agreeing with your take does not mean not understanding.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Pointing out your mistaken assumptions ≠ not understanding your subsequent explanations.

Just out of curiosity, what are these mistaken assumptions of mine?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

The fact that I don’t phrase things exactly like you would have wanted me to is something you’ll just have to accept.

Your arrogant, uncharitable and sanctimonious attitude is also not really doing you any favors.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

You expressed yourself in an unclear manner and expected me and everyone to jump to a conclusion that doesn't logically follow from what you said.

Then you started attacking my intelligence and accusing me of arguing in bad faith due to my completely reasonable original interpretation of your vague statement.

I'm not the one being arrogant, uncharitable and sanctimonious here, you are. Please just give it a rest already.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

There’s no logic here. It’s a reference. You didn’t get it. That’s ok.

But it’s not my fault you didn’t get it. You just didn’t. Can you accept that you missed a reference? Can you accept that you were working off incomplete implication and reached the wrong conclusion?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Your reference didn't say what you thought it said. It happens. Now leave me the fuck alone.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The reference is primo. You didn’t know it. That’s ok.

Also wait, I should leave you the fuck alone? You have been picking a fight with me all morning!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I haven't, no. I've been calmly and patiently trying to correct the misconceptions you stubbornly cling to.

My patience is at an end, though, so kindly fuck off already.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

What misconceptions are those?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I already told you several times. Go away.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No you didn’t. You harangued me for not saying things in a way that would allow you, personally, to understand me immediately. In our entire conversation you never pointed out anything even slightly resembling a misconception that you did not fabricate out of whole cloth by employing a silly bad faith interpretation of my arguments.

So now, once and for all, lay it out.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Downvoted for not explaining your "joke" then

[-] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s not a joke. Also, your downvotes have no power here, my instance doesn’t process them.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Cool

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