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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is how protests work. You inconvenience other people so that they pressure the target of the protests to give in to the protesters. Never understand why people from that country do not get this

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Absolutely! A lot of people seem to think a protest is shooting yourself in the foot and complaining about it. No, a protest is causing a ruckus so that everyone - protestors or not - get frustrated with the target of the protest. The point is to screw up search results on Google. The point is to make the "front page of the internet" an empty shell.

I went on reddit briefly to see if anything I subscribe to is polling to extend their blackout. r/DCcomics had a poll filled to the brim with "stay open, I'm slightly inconvenienced!" comments. These guys have clearly never been a part of or needed to protest for their basic rights before.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The mainstream view has lost a lot of that spirit, but plenty of Americans go just as hard as the French. Our corporate media downplays or slants the perception of protestors to make them seem like a noisy misguided minority when all we're usually asking for is basic dignity.

Then the news media goes off and makes any anti-protest vehicular homicide a celebrity, and right wing nuts flock to their go fund me pages.

It's not that we're as bad as we look, mostly.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think we need to start thinking about the hard work of moving a lot of that essential information from Reddit to open community wikis.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would be down to help if such an effort becomes reality.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So would I. Particularly for the "how do I solve this super specific problem?" troubleshooting posts. Those are treasures.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Me as well, we could automate a good chunk of it using web archive

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This has already been affecting me a bit. Now I'm not complaining because I fully support it. But I've recently been looking up product suggestions, tech help, etc and many of the reddit links in the search results were private communities. I was like "oh so this is actually having an impact at least."

I actually wish more subs would stay dark, especially since the CEO was basically like "they'll get over it soon"

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, I've already been really frustrated by this... Google's search results are so useless, full of advertisements, blogspam, astroturfing, etc, the only way to read about genuine reviews and experiences about stuff is to add " reddit" to the end of my search queries.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I figured out yesterday that if you go to the Google cached version, you can still see old posts. If I try it on mobile, the cached option isn't there, but on my PC I can click the (...) next to the search result, and click the cached option. Trying to figure out how to do that with mobile.

I fully support the blackout and I am trying to keep my Reddit traffic to a minimum, but I was trying to figure out a technical problem yesterday and it was a huge pain to find anything useful. Way too much SEO crap to wade through.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well that’s our fault for letting information get congregated in a centralized service to be fair. Any information that is stored without redundancy on a single service should be considered already lost.

The Fediverse doesn’t fix this by the way, as far as I know. The data can be accessed from other instances, but as I understand it the data still lives on the instance. The day an instance does, poof, all the information it contains goes away.

But! It makes it easier to make information redundant, by having an instance that automatically archives information for example.

We had a problem, many people knew that we had a problem but we did nothing to fix it. We have the same issue on StackOverflow or even GitHub, by the way (although the latter is a bit mitigated by people having local copies of the repositories for example). It will come bite us in the arse one day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

RIP to everything lost on Geocities.

It will never be possible to preserve all information forever, nor do we need to, but we could certainly do better than the usual thus far.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hopefully those communities that choose to stay dark indefinitely will migrate at least some of their information to external platforms for non-reddit access.

I doubt they'd be able/go so far as to export all the threads, but I'm thinking that it'd be nice if the communities with robust and informative wikis would at least make those available elsewhere. Same with the Fediverse too; I feel like any compilation of information like a wiki ought to be hosted elsewhere for some form of redundancy if possible.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. They should stay closed. Sadly a lot of subs are capitulating and opening up again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fewer than I thought though, I would have thought the whole thing would have evaporated by now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Love isn't always on time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm seeing the amount of closed subs decrease every hour. This morning there were over 7000 still closed and now it's just 6510.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Good. That is the whole point.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is unfortunate for sure. I've come across this issue already.
But that experience hasn't been great for a while amyway. Reading through comment chains is a nightmare on new desktop reddit. Looking forward to hopefully replacing 'reddit' with 'lemmy' in my search queries, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yep, this just demonstrates how we shouldn't rely on one entity to be the arbiter of community information. It should get better over time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

that's why I hope that some subs go read-only. keeps the information that has been gathered over the last few years, while making it so people mostly don't interact with it in their feeds anymore

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe search results should link to archives rather than live urls

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's one extra step to put archive.is/ in front of any dark reddit url.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not the worst and not the best reporting. I am surprised how many people apparently use reddit as a search engine given how many posts I saw in various subs that implied the poster never heard of a search engine given that there was another thread asking the same thing like 5 hours beforehand.

It is interesting they point out that Twitter style short form posts do not actually contain information people would be searching for. Also kind of sad that useful discussion is seen as ild fashioned and "modern" is short videos. I hate video results when I'm searching for something because if it even actually addresses the question it's 3-10 minutes of what is actually 2 sentences of answer. Such a waste of time.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yea this is definitely going to be a thing for tech questions especially. But to be fair we were always going to reckon with the issue sooner or later as long as a single private company is the sole owner of a site that ate all the specialized forums which would have previously housed such information. The best time to rip this bandaid off would have been before reddit was big, but there will be no better time then now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Kagi can filter out reddit automatically with it's lenses. You can do something sort of similar manually with -site:reddit.com in your query.

Another alternative is just using wayback machine to access reddit. That way they don't get your traffic!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wonder if there is an import script that can migrate threads and comments over to Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Luckily, the barrier for entry is having a computer and hands!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Reddit will open them back up with new moderators if they were pretty active, there is already precedent from when the kotakuinaction creator intentionally closed that subreddit several years ago. It may take a little more time if a lot of subreddits decide to stay closed, but it'll happen sooner or later.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/13/17568556/kotakuinaction-reddit-mod-shut-down-administrator

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It is the techical help that hurts the most. Raspberry Pi, Linx and Steam Deck are the big ones I find help for on Reddit.

But to be fair it just encourages me to search harder elsewhere, or better yet forces me to tinker more myself to find the solutions.

Regardless, it is a wealth of users that the users have given for free for so long.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's been inconvenient to Google stuff and have private subreddits come up, but that's life. Hopefully that information will begin moving to Lemmy instances as time goes on.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I jsut click the cached google link. usually works except comments under a few levels wont expand

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is that really a thing? When I search for anything I very, very rarely see a Reddit link in the results. The last time I remember was a question about i3wm.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit frequently pops up when I look for answers to tech questions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I've noticed this a few times already. Cached pages have worked so far for me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I often specifically search eg. site:reddit.com turboencabulator review or whatever, because on many topics just searching the entire web with Google will give you pages and pages of absolute garbage by sites that mainly exist to churn out (often stolen) low quality search keyword-laden content – especially on tech stuff – to generate ad views

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they might mean folks who are using google to search reddit, for example, the search term "migrating to lemmy reddit". I know I append "reddit" to a lot of my google searches and now with the blackout, those search results will only take you to a private page for the subreddit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I was trying to lookup stuff about mechanical keyboards on ddg earlier today, and several results on the first page were reddit threads. So it can definitely happen with some other hobbies/topics I imagine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's very useful compared to the usual SEO dreck that Google throws up as the top search results.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Create a read only lemmy instance populated with the data from the Reddit data dump. Make sure Google indexes it. Comply with DMCA requests made by users who want their content removed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is going to the biggest blow to me tbh. So many nuanced problems have been found on Reddit. Hoping some of the data can be transferred elsewhere vs completely deleted but it isn't looking that way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most of the data has been preserved via the Pushshift data dump/archive. It seems to end at February 2023, and the entire archive (including the separate 2023-01 and 2023-02 archives) is >2TB with zstd compression so it's not exactly easy to search unless you have a few terabytes to spare. Luckily, much of the data still seems to exist.

https://academictorrents.com/browse.php?search=pushshift

https://the-eye.eu/redarcs/

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can't the powers that be at reddit just flip a switch somewhere and remove the mods' ability to make subreddits private? Presumably if they could they would have done so by now (but if not, 🤫!!!)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I installed the ublacklist extension on chrome and immediately added reddit. There's nothing I can't find on other forums. Fuck reddit.

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