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Throughout the years there's been many useful information shared on staying safe during protests as well as many infographics made. What are some safety tips you've learned and some infographics you've saved?

here's an article i have saved about tear gas and a video of tips and tactics used by the hong kong protestors and an infographic

https://web.archive.org/web/20240426052300/https://www.popsci.com/story/diy/tear-gas-guide/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0iytr0qM90

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Don't ever take a phone to a protest. They WILL use location data against you if your phone is on, Even if it's off and you happen to lose it, they'll use the fact that it was found at the scene against you.
If You're going to protest, then protest. If I see you standing around taking pictures and videos with your phone I'm going to assume you're just in it for your Instagram posts.

Edit:
And if you're not careful when taking videos or pictures at a protest you could expose other protesters and your footage could be used to prosecute people that were there trying to help.
If you absolutely INSIST on documenting the protests, procure a used GoPro off of eBay or Facebook marketplace that isn't registered to you and use that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

In my area we always designate a few people to stay between protesters and police and carry a phone for filming police. Sometimes, evidence of police behaviour is important. But a cam corder could work too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If I see you standing around taking pictures and videos with your phone I'm going to assume you're just in it for your Instagram posts.

This is good advice, but seeing historical footage of protests is kinda cool though, tbh

[–] Cethin 2 points 3 months ago

Assuming it's a reasonably sized protest, there will be people documenting it. Everyone has a phone now. There will be pictures, which is also why protecting your identity is important.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

They WILL use locational data against you if your phone is on, Even if it's off

Based on what I know, this can be achieved in two ways:

  1. SIM card: it records your location all the time, so they can get that from your phone company
  2. request it from Google or Apple ( that's why you should degoogle your phone )

If you remove the SIM card and don't connect to any hotspot ( obviously ), then your phone is just a camera, but the issue is that you'll want to broadcast live, so you'll need an Internet connection.. So

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Android deliberately scans for open WiFi and Bluetooth endpoints even when these functions are disabled by the user. Google knows exactly where you and what you're doing, and LE can just buy your data from them a week later and prosecute you.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If you remove the SIM card and don't connect to any hotspot ( obviously ), then your phone is just a camera

That is not true and it is a dangerous assumption for someone planning to antagonize law enforcement.

A phone that is powered on, even with no SIM or WiFi, would still be able to track your location. It still has GPS-GLONASS-Galileo, it still has a cell radio, it still has Bluetooth, etc. How do you think a phone can let you still call 911 even with no SIM?

This article offers a high level explanation:

https://robots.net/computing-and-gadgets/mobile-devices/tracking-a-phone-without-a-sim-card-explained/

GPS tracking without a SIM card offers a resilient and dependable solution for location-based tracking and management.

Unless you leave it home or physically remove the battery, your phone can still be used to track you (given the resources that a state can bring to bear.) If you aim to misbehave, do not trust your phone.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While SIM cards have historically served as a primary means of identifying and tracking mobile devices, advancements in GPS, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth technologies have expanded the horizons of phone tracking beyond the constraints of SIM card dependency.

I mean that's what I tried to say, SIM cards are the biggest offender when it comes to phone tracking, since they're linked to your ID card, it's such an easy method of tracking, unfortunately the article doesn't go in depth ( as it claims ) on how to leverage GPS tracking for example, which brings me to my second question

given the resources that a state can bring to bear.

SIM card is the primary method used, it's so easy and available, the government will for sure take advantage of such tracking capability, but since the article doesn't give any example of how can GPS tracking can be achieved, like we know that the SIM card pings cell towers all the time, and it transmits unique IDs, and you buy it with an ID, you get the picture.. in the case of other tracking methods, it's seems ( to me at least ), that the attacker ( the government in this case, not necessarily the US government ), has to invest in extra resources to leverage such tracking capabilities that use obscure methods, how much that's question? they must be really motivated

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

If you remove the SIM card and don't connect to any hotspot ( obviously ), then your phone is just a camera

Again, this is a false and dangerous claim. Your continued denial makes me begin to suspect you have an ulterior motive, but I dont have energy today to waste on you, so I will be blocking you. Good day.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Your SIM card just grants you access to any particular network, your phone can still be tracked off of its serial number or IMEI as other towers in the area, regardless of whether or not they are your carrier, will log the devices that pinged the tower.
This MIGHT be ok with a burner phone if you paid with cash, but they could still pull data from in store security systems of the purchase by tracking the phone to the point of sale with its IME, if they were sufficiently motivated.
It might work, But it's a gamble I'm not willing to take.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Generally, https://paris-luttes.info has really good tutorials and resources to keep track of what's happening in France, most of my links will be in french, translate at your convenience, not many pictures either, sorry :

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Find out if there's a legal aid hotline for your area, a charity one if you can. Write the phone number on your arm so you don't have to take your phone. If you get arrested, use your call on it (if you get one).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

If you are going to take your phone to a protest. Think about your digital safety.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/cell-phone-guide-occupy-wall-street-protesters-and-everyone-else

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Whats the @ of the person from the screenshots?

Edit: nvm found it and followed. I hope RR helps DSA take disability politics seriously and starts masking and spreading info on CR boxes and the fact that covid is the biggest workers rights issues of our generation. Florida ha Mask Blocs they should look into and miami has a clean air org that will soon build CR boxes for people/orgs/events

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We have some comrades who take it very seriously, and all our national events require masking. Our local meetings do too but i can't speak for everywhere. Do you think DSA doesnt take disability politics/masking seriously? What has been your experience?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thats good I haven’t seen any mention of masking/covid but to be fair i dont follow DSA much. I dont have direct experiences with DSA but they’re never brought up by the disability justice activists i follow or anyone in the “covid conscious” space. I’ve only seen anarchists mentioning covid and setting up mask blocs and clean air orgs that set up lending libraries for air purifiers/CR boxes and the far uvc lights by Naomi Wu

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I'll have to look into those lending libraries locally. Tbh, mutual aid isn't really what I'm involved in, though DSA does have a national mutual aid working group, I wonder if they have any similar programs? I appreciate your insight! Even for activists who do care about inclusion and disability rights, things slip through the cracks which is why a diversity of perspectives and democratic import is so crucial if we are ever gonna change this broken system. Well, broken for us at least.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

TheHatedOne (Youtube) has two videos.

The first is a burner phone tutorial. Cops are known to set up EMSI catchers and all the ways to combat this is discussed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJH-UJyENs

His follow-up video is about concealing your physical appearance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_5y1jIWPjc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

He makes awesome videos in general

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bring milk to neutralize pepper spray.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cethin 1 points 3 months ago

Summary: time is the only known treatment, at least according to that study.

I would guess that any liquid would make things feel cooler and potentially provide a placebo effect though?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

There are a few awesome videos that provide valuable information on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJH-UJyENs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJH-UJyENs

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Don't protest. Instead drive two people under the age of 30 to the polls in November.

[–] Cethin 3 points 3 months ago

Alright, this is odd. Normally I'm telling the people saying not to vote that they should vote in addition to taking other actions. I didn't ever expect to have to counter someone saying not to protest and to only vote. Why would you make this comment? Why not protest and vote? Why are you making it seem like you can only do one?

Protest can be more impactful, especially in the short term, than voting. They're both useful. The problem with protesting is it takes more effort and time than voting, which is simple and easy. Everyone should vote because it's trivial, but it shouldn't be in exclusion to protest or other actions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Voluntarily give up your constitutional right to assemble so that you are used to it when the rest of your rights are taken away.

Go ahead and vote, but get organized and resist the other 364 days in the year

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Vote for who? The current president residing over the current situation thats being protested or the person who also wants to do the same stuff being protested?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago
[–] Cethin 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The other guy doesn't want to do the same thing. The other guy wants to end it, by means of Israel finishing their job. Biden at least is against it, though he could do more to stop it. Trump is in favor of it. Both sides aren't the same. Get over it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Biden is against it? Thats why he keeps sending israel more bombs? Even bypassing congress to send bombs? I didnt say theyre the same i said they both support what israel is doing. I dont understand how you see people protesting something happening now and say they should stop protesting and vote for the current president so the problem under his presidency can stop?

[–] Cethin 1 points 3 months ago

Different person than the one you think you're replying to. I'm in favor of them protesting and left a comment saying so to this same top level comment.

Biden has spoken against it though. We have also decreased aid slightly (at least at one time but then we passed an aid package...). Trump has only said that they should finish the job. It's a pretty large difference. It sucks, but we do have a choice to make and one choice is significantly better even on this single issue than the other. Then if you look at trans-rights issues and all the other stuff, it's pretty clear.