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[-] [email protected] 138 points 2 months ago

Yes. It is bloated. But not for the reasons you may think.

Live OSes need to fit multiple requirements compared to the installed ones. They need to:

  • Install the OS without internet
  • Provide a test ground for the OS
  • Be a way to repair damaged OS

So of course it's bloated, but in a good way. You may be already familiar with Ubuntu, and not care about the live OS part, so it would be bloat for you. You may not care about setting up disks, so GParted is bloat for you, etc...

If you want a less bloated installer, some other distros like debian give net installers

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

EndeavourOS iso also does the same thing but with half the size.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago

Half the tool chains

[-] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Live CD? More like live blu ray

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

Would fit on dual layer DVD.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

CDs were 700MB

[-] [email protected] 49 points 2 months ago

That's not how you download ISOs.. 😐..

πŸ‘‰ Qbittorent

[-] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

Enjoy the faster downloads.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2aa4f5a7e209e54b32803d43670971c4c8caaa05&dn=ubuntu-24.04-desktop-amd64.iso&tr=https%3a%2f%2ftorrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce&tr=https%3a%2f%2fipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com%2fannounce

[-] possiblylinux127 5 points 2 months ago

The ISO shouldn't be 7gb

[-] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Your Internet is flying.. Oh my gosh... just noticed.. I could only dream of seeing such speeds with my ISP...

anyways, even if it was a 500Mb ISO, using Qbit is much faster and you help others too..

[-] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago

Seriously what's in there? Last ISO I've used with size like this came with 6 different DEs. Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

[-] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Every driver you could possibly need for any hardware in the last 20 years? This is a live CD and is expected to just work no matter what you’re running it on.

Edit: Also, of course, every program you might need to usefully test-drive a distro, like office apps, media players, image viewers, browser, email client, and a myriad more. Now that I’ve said it I find 6GB remarkably small.

[-] possiblylinux127 8 points 2 months ago

Fedoras iso is 2 gb

[-] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Fedora also by default includes only free stuff. AFAIK Ubuntu includes non free codecs for media and other software that doesn't fit in FOSS category (it's also one of t the reasons why Ububtu became so popular in my opinion, it just works works out of the box)

[-] possiblylinux127 5 points 2 months ago

Fedora includes non free firmware as per there policy

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

doesn't include nvidia drivers, doesn't include codecs needed to play proprietary media.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ubuntu ships only Gnome IIRC

~~Unity is it's default.~~

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Ubuntu switched back to GNOME as default six years ago

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Dunno how or why, but I forgot about that.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Probably the last time you dared try Ubuntu! 😜

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

What is truly bloated is their network-install images, starting with a 14MB kernel and 65MB initrd, which then proceeds to pull a 2.5GB image which they unpack into RAM to run the install.

This is especially egregious when running thin VMs for lots of things, since you now require them to have at least 4GB of RAM simply to be able to launch the installer at all.

Compare this to regular Debian, which uses an 8MB kernel and a 40MB initrd for the entire installer.
Or some larger like AlmaLinux, which has a 13MB kernel and a 98MB initrd, and which also pulls a 900MB image for the installer. (Which does mean a 2GB RAM minimum, but is still almost a third of the size of Ubuntu)

[-] possiblylinux127 9 points 2 months ago

Not to mention pulling a 2.5GB image is kind of hard on network. I don't get it as that costs them more money.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

We're mirroring the images internally, not just because their mirrors suck and would almost double the total install time when using them, but also because they only host the images for the very latest patch version - and they've multiple times made major version changes which have broken the installer between patches in 22.04 alone.

[-] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

If only there was some alternative distro without the bloat. Say, one link down from that one.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Alpine

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Tiny Core Linux

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

LFS

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Feckin gentoo

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

<3 Debian network install image.

[-] possiblylinux127 4 points 2 months ago

Or Linux Mint regular ISO. You know its bad when Linux mint has a comparatively small iso

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

try dynebolic.org 1.5GB live OS including many pre installed applications like kdenlive, audacity, ardour and OBS...

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Keep It Bloated, Snappy.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I hate you for this pun

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

laughtrack.mp3

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Hopefully has some games bundled in

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

You should install arch instead /j

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You definitely haven't seen Bazzite yet

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I bet a ton of it is Nvidia and AMD junk.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Linux shipping all drivers by default is a problem

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

There is always Gentoo stage1 /j

[-] possiblylinux127 1 points 2 months ago

Not really. Fedora is significantly smaller and it ships everything but Nvidia

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yes for sure drivers are not the cause of that problem. But its still basically an extreme violation of the unix philosophy

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Debian net installer is 700mb, still fits on CD-R and with a DE selection and base tools during setup, it’s still about 2gb installed as a fully functional system requiring very little to get gaming. Seems fine to me. This post is an Ubuntu problem.

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s05.en.html

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

~~Donald trump~~ VanillaOS please save me from these people πŸ™ πŸ™Œ

[-] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago

Is Ubuntu enshittifying?

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