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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

American planners: we wanted to build 3 new bus lines but we were only given $3 and a mandate to ~~give it~~ contract it out to the mayor's cousin's anti-homeless company that has 50% cop employees.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$3

"The design and prototyping was funded by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation [...] Each prototype came to about $10,000 including design, materials and engineering, says Odbert, but the idea is that the cost for each shade would drop to about $2,000 if mass produced."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Believe it or not those are kinds of average numbers for street furniture. Shit is pointlessly expensive due to contracting and a lack of central planning.

And the scale of what is needed to really do the job is hundreds of thousands to millions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And the bus stop somehow involved more bureaucracy to achieve

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For the unfamiliar: "la sombrita" is the name of the corrugated metal piece on this bus stop post. It is designed to provide shade to people waiting for the bus, because the areas where these are installed have very little shade.

Due to a multitude of reasons from NIMBYs to building codes, it's difficult for the city to install anything much bigger or better than this.

If you find this interesting, you can learn more by listening to episode 545 of the podcast 99% Invisible. It's called "Shade Redux"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Poor lil smile bean city LA can't change it's own building codes. jerma-bottom

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or, god forbid, use their Eminent Domain to take some private land along the sidewalk to improve life for poor people without impeding the ability of wheelchair users to navigate the city.

But that would anger the landowners, of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They couldn't even finish the 710 because it would require them to domain the rich folk in the hills. So now the city still owns some homes that are going to rot below the hills and they spend (waste) money on cops to patrol/make sure no homeless can squat in them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Problem with bus stops in my city is that fucking cars keep driving into them, then its months with no cover until they're replaced

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's insane that most bus shelters are designed to break away to keep the inhabitants of cars safer

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Have you tried violence? thinkin-lenin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I saw that on wtyp and couldn't believe it was real. Everyone in that city's government deserves to burn in the summer sun. The only reason to make building bus shelters that complicated is to punish the homeless, it doesn't "just happen." I live over 1000km away and it still makes me mad

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is one thing to be said for it, which I think could be interpreted as sincere if you really wanna give them the benetof the doubt (I dont).

They wanted to design a busstop that also felt safe for women. Designing urban infrastructure is always difficult, because you need to balance a lot of different needs. One of these is the need for safety/perceived safety. No one will use something, if they perceive it as unsafe to do so. Another need is that for secluded spaces in public space. These two often come I to conflict, and it can be hard to solve the two.
They allegedly wanted to make something safer for people to use, that could be installed on narrow sidewalks.

However they completely fucked up, and if that was what they actually wanted to do, they could've just copied one of the many existing tried-and-true designs.
They managed to make something "safe" by virtue of it not really being there anymore. Can't feel unsafe because of poor visibility in the structure by the busstop, if the bus stop has no structure think-about-it

Alternatively they could've talked to the people making use of the bus and people wanting to make use of the bus. City planners are deathly afraid of citizen participation and it sucks, because citizens are often the most insightful with regards to their needs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's hard to imagine to me how a whole country can be so big. Poland is only somewhat bigger than Texas 💀

Well at least it isn't a 🔲

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Cato Institute link

cringe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What if I told you... yuppie car tunnels with no safety features and LED lighting? very-intelligent