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I'd treat this with a bit of skepticism, especially given Jeep's recent history in terms of reliability (or utter lack thereof).
All of stellantis cars are garbage.
I'd risk that is true for the US models.
The FIAT umbrella and the PSA line-up in Europe makes for a good chunk of the market with vehicles for all tastes.
Shame the American Fiats are shit. I'd love to know the calculus behind dumping all the crap in the States.
they dump it here because they know americans are idiots who will buy it.
the amount of dodge dipshits and jeep junkies in this country is insane. and they know it's shit, they just don't care because of the marketing/branding that they are TOUGH AND COOL if they own a dodge/jeep product
I'm talking about the US Fiat-branded cars. Forget the Dodges and Jeeps, even the US Fiat brand is dog shit.
Why do you say that? What is so bad with FIAT there?
Their quality control is almost as bad as Tesla's.
Really? That bad?
FIAT in the 90's and early 00's went through a really bad phase, due to Ferrari sinking millions into F1, to the point FIAT Brazil was more active than FIAT Europe developing new models.
FIAT are reliable. A few engines were less than good but FIAT has always been on the forefront of developing new technology into engines and cars. My first car, a cheap model, had direct fuel injection when most other manufacturers were still using carburettors (at best, eletrically controlled).
It's even a joke between owners that FIAT cars don't like mechanics but when they start doing, you're better off changing cars.
Ah. Then FIAT must taking the European ones that don't pass final checks and sending them Stateside. Idk.
I tried to discover what was the line-up you have over there and it seems we get more from over there (essentially through the SUV line, from JEEP) than you receive from here.
What vehicles do you get under that badge?
Currently none are being manufactured, but apparently a hybrid is due for Fiat's re-entry to the States this year or next.
I hope you get some of these.
FIAT 600 This is a full eletric.
FIAT Panda The original version was iconic. It had a full 4x4 version. Current models are stunning.
Came to say this. I wouldn't be caught dead being an early adopter for them.
Recent history? They've been junk for a long time. I'll give the Wrangler a pass but the rest of their lineup had been pretty terrible.
By recent, I mean like the past several decades.
Recent? Jeeps have never been reliable
Oh, bullshit. They were fine before the Fiat takeover.
I have 500k on a 98 GC 5.9L and 350k on the wife's 98 4.0L. I doubt they've been down for 5 days total in this millenium and both are driven every day.
I've never owned one, but I thought they were more reliable in the 1980s and '90s. Was I mistaken?
Up to being bought by Chrysler in 1984 they were pretty solid. Because they were so basic. Not much to break, since they were boxes with wheels and that's it. I had a 1990 YJ Wrangler and it was the biggest pile of shit I could imagine being assembled on purpose.
Everything was.
In the 80's and 90's? That was peak junk car era. You'd be lucky to have a car not rust out or need major repairs well before 100k miles.
These fays, IF something breaks, it is extremely expensive to fix, but you can certainly expect to go a lot longer without a major problem.
Nah it was peak technology. We got things like fuel injection and ABS. There were standard radios. Components were simple, easy to diagnose, and inexpensive.
Damn it, I hate how true this statement is.
The Wranglers have been mostly reliable but everything else has had issues. The newer pentastar engines seem to be doing pretty well. Not sure on the latest 4 cylinder engines or the Fiat models but the wrangler has been going pretty strong.
The 3.6L Pentastar is widely known to have the head gasket leak after 100K miles. Should be a recall but Stellantis won’t recognize it.
I thought that was limited to the Pacificas and everything else before they put it into the Wrangler. My understanding was that it was resolved by the time they finally started putting them in wranglers. I hated the older 3.8L engines and was super happy to get the 3.6. I still have low mileage so can’t comment on longevity but I think they may have resolved that.
Nope. Still a thing. Happened to my 7 year old.
How many miles did it have and if you don’t mind me asking, what did it cost to fix? Did you just get the head gasket replaced or did you have to get the heads machined or a reman engine?
115K. Totaled the engine. Too far out of spec to machine. I wasn’t about to put more money into it. It was paid off too which sucked. Found out after the fact that this is a known defect on this engine. Note: it was not a Flex Fuel vehicle, or at least it wasn’t badged that way. Not sure if that affects anything reliability wise.
Aaaaand its an SUV 🤦
They're probably doing what everyone is doing and just blatantly lying for attention, only to rugpull you when it's actually listed for sale for $10k more.
You can be sure regardless of list price dealers will mark that shit up 25k.
I'm hoping it's just an "SUV" shaped hatchback. That still means the hood and belt line will be weirdly high for no reason except ~~bad visibility~~ ~~fragile egos~~ looking muscular, but that size seems like the best thing we can hope for in the US.
it's* an SUV
My guess is that the headline should read "Jeep capitalizing on Leapmotor JV through $25k badge engineered model for US". The article says nothing about where this magically low cost EV has come from, but I can guarantee that it wasn't from Dearborn.
I don't even think "Jeep" (in quotes because they're no longer a company) have any presence in the US anymore. All of their presence, as far as I know, is in Amsterdam as part of Stellantis.
What about the Toledo assembly plant?
I have been wrong before, and this is yet another instance. I wasn't aware of that.
Happens to the best of us. We learn, we move on!
20 active manufacturing plants + 2 idled/retooling, is a fairly solid US presence.
I work for another one of the 'big 3', have heard mixed things about working for Stellantis; but honestly don't think it would make much difference, if HQ direction came from Amsterdam instead of the Detroit region.
As stated earlier, I appear to be mistaken then. My bad.
Well, the HQ are in Auburn Hills, not Dearborn, so you are right
Dammit, I should have verified that. Who's Dearborn then, FoMoCo? GM is still Detroit.
Correct, although GM is also Warren (tech center)
I hope it's the size of the Avenger or R3. Something that size and shape with some ground clearance could fully replace my ICE car for camping and hiking in the mountains.
Looking at the pics available it looks pretty cool. I would definitely take a look at it to go electric but my current wrangler is going to be hard to give up.
Please oh please be be shaped similar to a new bronco
Jeep going all electrical when they can't get the electrical part right on their gas shitboxes. Now that's rich.
With the catalog of products they have to base it on, I have no doubts they can do it, but I do have doubts to reliability and Jeepness, it'll prolly just be another cheap electric crossover that could be mistaken for any other out there
Very soon but not giving a date probably means at least a few years.
