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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Fuck this "AI" nonsense, the techbros shoving it into everything, and the Bitcoin cryptobros that came before them.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand, clean nuclear power has never been easier. Why not just build some current gen nuke plants?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As I understand it, planning new, grid-scale nuclear power plants takes 10-20 years. While this isn't a reason not to start that process now, it does mean something needs to fill the demand gap until the nuke plants (and other clean sources) come online to displace the dirty generation, or demand has to be artificially held down, through usage regulation or techniques like rolling blackouts, all of which I would imagine is pretty unpalatable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think it’s fair to predict energy consumption will continue to rise. With that timescale, it’s basically “the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the second best time is today”. Doesn’t solve the immediate issue, but if we keep not starting new nuclear projects, it’s going to remain an issue forever.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I totally agree -- didn't mean to give any impression otherwise. Filling the energy demand gap as quickly as possible with the least impactful generation source should be very high on societal goals, IMO. And it seems like that is what's happening, mostly. Solar, wind, and storage are the largest share of what's being brought up this year:

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/clean-energy/chart-nearly-all-new-us-power-plants-built-in-2024-will-be-clean-energy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

That’s an amazing chart!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It takes a long time to get a nuclear plant up and running. While it would be great to replace coal plants with nuclear, it wouldn't help with all of the power being wasted on AI right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Time...

And a lot of concrete.

It takes a long time to see the climate gains from a nuclear reactor.

Hell, depending on size it can take a decade or longer to finish curing, and part of curing is releasing CO2 into the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Very sustainable technology, this AI 😎

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

and the techbro ais are mostly a novelty so far...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I mean, it's all runing on general purpose hardware. If we decoded 4k video on general purpose hardware we'd use more power than every AI company put together, but once that became popular we developed chips capable of decoding it at the hardware level that consume barely any power.

And the exact same thing is starting to happen with dedicated machine learning chips / NPUs.

[–] Technus 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let's have a round of slow claps for the tech industry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

First the "whole ass country of energy use to make fake money" that is bitcoin and now this?

Lovely.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

This is a bad article, with a misleading headline.

It shows no direct connection between the two, it just talks about how AI models are less power efficient than search engines, and then talks about how all industries including normal, non AI data centers, manufacturing, etc, are all increasing power usage.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

How fucking convenient.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

there's that window closed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There was always something that was going to prevent this, they never seriously wanted it to happen, that would hurt fossil fuel donations to politicians

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What kind of world are we going to leave behind for the AI though?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It'll be a coal-powered Dyson sphere sustaining data center tasked with generating pictures of celebrity porn, Jesus, flight attendants, babies and seafood. By then AI will enjoy them as much as my mother does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

"I've cut out these goatees made of felt for us all to wear until we can grow real ones."