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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

[CW: Sarcastic comments about self harm]

FUUUUCK OOOOFF

I'm sorry? Does getting into debt so I can PAY FOR MY OWN TRAINING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOT FUCKING COUNT? Of fucking course not.

Oh let me guess, all the extra things I need to do to "prove I'm worthy" to our almighty employers is all stuff that is near impossible for me as a permanently exhausted neurodivergent person with no money?

Will I guess it's my fault for being born poor and given a slew of traumas as a child. How dare I want to pursue something I'm interested in and good at? What a fair, free and just society! I guess I should just burn myself out completely for chump change or die quietly in the corner.

I'm tired of hearing about employers "Not wanting to risk training employees only to lose them" when hardly any employers even do real training anymore, and no one talks about the risk employees take into going into debt for a degree. Getting a degree is already hard as it is and I don't even know if I'll ever get a return on that, so why should I have to be a super human for an employer to even consider me? Where's their effort?

Oh right, because this is capitalism and employers have the power, not me.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

"Do you know someone who works here already? No? Sorry we decided to go with Jerry's cousin's ex because they can be vouched for even though they've never worked in this industry and lack every qualification. Have you tried networking? We'll keep your resume on file in case you manage to make some connections with one of the wfh employees who we're planning to lay off next quarter anyway."

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

๐Ÿ˜”๐Ÿ”ซ

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago

Also if employers keep losing all of the employees they train maybe they need to examine how they're treating them

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

NONONO it's the employees faults for not hussle grinding enough! Sure, you have a medical degree, but do you own your own business? Have you been to France? Sorry, if you've never met my friend Jim at his fancy nightclub then you just aren't putting yourself out there, I don't think you're right for this radiology position!

So much "no Poor's allowed" shit like that to weed out the commoners. And if you complain about how classist it all is than they just say "Oh I started out poor too, I had to give up caviar!"

AAAAAAAAAA

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

going into debilitating debt for a degree was a mistake, I feel you so much sadness-abysmal

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It pisses me off so much. Like because I'm poor I shouldn't want an education

"How stupid are you for getting into debt, poors like you should stay in their lane and flip burgers forever"

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Student loans shouldn't exist in the first place, but they should at least be 0% interest, tax deductible, forgiven after a certain period, something...

The fact people are punished for trying to get an education is insulting.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"How stupid are you for getting into debt, poors like you should stay in their lane and flip burgers forever"

But you could go into the traaaades! I (Mike Rowe) know a kid who works as a welder living out of a van and he's going to be a millionaire (with a bad back and bad knees) by the time he's 35!

jagoff

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

isnt that what a fucking degree is even for.

to certify you are good at doing and understanding the fucking thing?

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's supposed to be training, both practical and academic. But the way western education works it just ends up being that, yes.

I wonder why there is a doctor and scientist shortage in my country? Oh well, nevermind! I'm sure that won't have any negative impact on society.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

to think we pay tens of thousands for that

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That pricetag is a fantastic way to keep the masses from pursuing an education and getting more unskilled, desperate, disposable workers into the job market.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

glances at larger and larger hecs debt

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'm going to keep growing that shit too. Fuck them for trying to keep me from my passion

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I got a shitty mark (but eventual bachelors) in computer science, one of the ones that's supposed to be a money maker.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Love the whims of the market. It's such a rational system.

I feel ya.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Love "learning to code" then the code industry collapses

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

Oh let me guess, all the extra things I need to do to "prove I'm worthy" to our almighty employers is all stuff that is near impossible for me as a permanently exhausted neurodivergent person with no money?

doomjak same

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Isn't capitalism amazing? Every part of the economy wants people with experience but also no person responsible for that part of the economy is interested in training people and giving them experience.
Same with other stuff like housing and healthcare - every capitalist wants healthy workers who already have housing, but none of them want to provide any of that.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Should've been born rich and with no medical issues smuglord

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

my soon-to-be-ex institution has been rubbing shoulders with some dutch capital formation and man do those dutch love their smoke & mirrors theory of how to get the public to pay for the training the capitalists need while ensuring the gains developed by workers become new property of the already powerful institutions seeking rents.

powerful, brilliant mind stuff.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

hardly any employers even do real training anymore,

Haven't had a single employer do any training up front, in years. Just been dropped into things, maybe 30 minutes of basics, and a "let me know if you have any questions".

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm tired of hearing about employers "Not wanting to risk training employees only to lose them"

I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY AND IT WAS JUST ME BEING A FAILURE.

I fucking hate this system.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

i hate the hustle grind toxicity of all that shit. understanding the underlying material reality (the boss needs you to make more profit) only makes their "game" more insulting, since they have to neg potential hires and make them feel small, or make them feel like the hiring boss is doing them a favor by connecting them with a job. so, the individual/non-collective way to fight back is to make oneself seem like the head-and-shoulders-above candidate that will be maximally exploitable. the one who trains fast/easy and won't cause problems. basically, the idiot-savant who can do-the-thing like a wizard, but is too big-picture dim to see the value proposition of doing it for someone else.

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