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Edit: Update: posted to [email protected] for their feedback: https://reddthat.com/post/20241853

Hello everyone,

The most current active community is [email protected].

Due to all the discussions that are now happening on [email protected] about moving away from lemmy.ml due to their abuse moderation practices (https://feddit.nl/post/16246531), should we consider creating an alternative.

[email protected] exists but seems unmanaged and I would rather avoid another LW community.

Maybe we could contact mander.xyz at [email protected] to see what they think?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (3 children)

sh.itjust.works seems very solid

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is indeed very solid, but my reasoning was more to highlight mander.xyz, which is science-focused.

They do a great work, and maybe having a "popular" community might help them (although that might already be happening with their science memes community)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yea I requested the current community to keep an eye on it since the mod was not active. I haven't had a chance to properly promote it yet.

https://lemmy.ml/post/7354878

Mander.xyz is a solid instance and I think this community would do well there. It would fit in nicely with the other communities on there, and it might get more posts as a result

Ultimately I'm happy with wherever people would like to go with that community :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Thank you for your comment!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I mean, lemm.ee is a very solid instance that also isnt overprone to defederating from everyone, if we're going by that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Been here almost a year with no concerns.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd suggest creating a new community somewhere that isn't lemmy.ml because of their moderation and lemmy.world because it's just too big and we shoukd spread out the communities a bit. But depending on how established is the community on LW then it would be better to stick to it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But depending on how established is the community on LW then it would be better to stick to it.

It's not really active, so no need to stick with it. We can probably just post an announcement to it once the new community is created.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because I'm barely awake at this point it seems I just repeated your post. Lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

No worries ha ha

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Then go with the new community route. o7

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

+1 for mander.xyz. I'd also like to take this opportunity to see if @[email protected] would be interesting in joining me on https://fediverser.network, as it is one of the most interesting topic-based instances. It would be a great home to all the science-related subreddits and moderators that would be interested in migrating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, sorry, I remember looking at it in the past but got distracted. Is there somewhere where I can find information about what to do to join you and contribute? Should I create a reddit account?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The GitHub page would be the initial place to get started. It works as a separate service that needs to run alongside your Lemmy docker stack. You will need a reddit API key to allow users to login/register via Reddit.

I just advise to wait a bit because the current release is still working based on Lemmy 0.18.3 database schema. I will update it later this week.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Ok! Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Pinging @[email protected] too as he's a regular poster on [email protected].

For the post I was referencing about abuse moderation practices: https://jlai.lu/post/7449867

[–] GregorGizeh 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I suggest lemmy.zip

A moderately sized instance with great stability and performance, a very diligent and transparent admin, and fantastic federation with virtually everyone.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Yep, we are in regular touch with the Admins - they're solid.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Pinging @[email protected] as you are the current mod to see what you think

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

We need lemmy.beauty and then we can have [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can we have c/hmmm other than in LW?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That's what the general consensus is indeed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Update: mander.xyz has now solved their federation issues! https://grafana.lem.rocks/d/cdfzs0dwal3pca/federation-health-time-behind?orgId=1&var-instance=All&var-remote_instance=mander.xyz&var-remote_software=All&from=now-12h&to=now

@[email protected] and @[email protected], you seem to be the most regular posters of this type of content, what to you think about this idea of a new initiative on mander.xyz?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I've been a huge fan of the science memes, I'll explore and chat more. I'm already curious about what natural sciences means.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My opinion about this is that the fediverse seems a bit quiet recently, and maybe it would be better to stay on an instance and accept their default rather than creating a new one. But hey, fediverse also means decentralization, so it might be worth a shot, I'll try to post in both communities and see what happens.

Is there someplace where I could find more information about mander admins ? I don't want to have the same debate in 3 months because there is a problem with their moderation policy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Hello,

Thank you for your comment!

@[email protected] is a mod on [email protected], so we might even close it so that people will be encouraged to move to the new community.

About mander.xyz, they have been quite active lately to upgrade their instance (https://jlai.lu/post/7842647?scrollToComments=true).

I had a look at the modlog of their "flagship" community, [email protected], everything seems reasonable: https://mander.xyz/modlog/11072

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Yes I'll see about pinning a message next time I'm on Desktop, to redirect anyone that is looking there.

Looking through the recent posts, the old community wasn't getting that many new posts already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Modlog is a limited way of knowing the admins values. I really hope one day we'll have cooperative owned servers, but in the meantime we can only speculate and hope the admins will behave reliably

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Indeed, but it seems that nowadays people are comfortable calling out power tripping admins, so as nothing has been reported about mander.xyz, they seem fine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

PS: The new community has 1.75k weekly active users after 3 days, so hopefully is will catch-up with the lemmy.ml 2.54k monthly active users soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Looks like an interesting instance. We could use the extra redundancy in the fediverse. I could always use more science in my life :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nice! Would you be interested in becoming a mod of the new community [email protected] too (to be created)? :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would love to help where I can, I’m always down for statistics <3

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Great! Feel free to comment on [email protected], I'll appoint you as a mod!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There made a comment under the latest post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

You are now a mod, welcome onboard!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry I missed this, but, of course! I think that the dataisbeautiful community would be a good fit. I will try to deal with the federation issues as soon as possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Great, thank you!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I did the same migration a few months ago, from @lemmy ml to [email protected]. Frankly, I don't regret it; even being a smaller instance I've seen far more activity there, and I feel like the environment is safer to talk about certain topics. (The lemmy ml comm was a bit of a ticking bomb, really.)

Keep in mind that the focus of the dataisbeautiful comm might change a tiny bit, even if the rules stay the same. Older users already created an association between mander.xyz and science; I think that they'll be a bit less prone to post fluff, and more scientific data. That's actually good IMO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected], now that [email protected] is launched and pretty active (1.47k weekly active users), what do you think we should do with [email protected] ?

Should we suggest people to move to the new one, and lock the lemmy.ml one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nice!

I'll see about pinning a message next time I'm on Desktop, to redirect anyone that is looking there. The old community wasn't getting that many new posts already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[email protected] exists but seems unmanaged and I would rather avoid another LW community.

Two.of the Mods are around and it might not be worth reinventing the wheel when folks can post there already.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess the question is: is it worth it to create another community to get that one off Lemmy.world, or are we happy with it being there?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

As far as I'm aware the big issue with l.w is centralisation. So it makes sense to suggest people start new communities on other instances but if there is one already there, we might as well make use of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Update: Mander are working on their federation issues (https://mander.xyz/post/14144123), so I would wait until they are done to create a community there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Update: community is created, [email protected] !