Hopefully, this is considered during sentencing.
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Behavior between verdict and judgement usually is.
So on one hand, this is a non-violent case about someone with no (official) criminal record. This usually results in parole and a slap on the wrist.
On the other hand, he shows no remorse for the crimes he's been found guilty of, and it seems he's doing everything he can to piss off the ones who are deciding his future.
EDIT: I hear reports that the one downvote was from president 34 himself.
EDIT2: Aileen Cannon also joined.
I am sorry if this sounds pedantic, but I take too much joy in expressing this:
(In Homer Simpson’s Voice)
No PRIOR official criminal record
Pedantic: Yes
Valid: Also yes.
In my book, pedantry falls into the same category as "technically" - An even better form of being correct.
In law, technicality is king.
Merchan has the room to sentence prison, it’s just not standard for class E nonviolent crimes. If he doesn’t cite substantial reason that he believes Trump is likely to commit another crime while awaiting appeal, he’ll just open up an avenue for argument of bias in the appeal hearing.
Oh, man, that's too bad. It's going to be incredibly hard to support that this particular convicted felon might ever commit any other crimes.
I think the best way to go is probation, enforced with some sort of suspended sentence. If he violates the terms of his probation, the suspended sentence kicks in and he goes straight to Rikers for a few months. It reinforces the point that the crimes may not warrant jail time, but his attitude definitely does. And leaves the whole thing up to his own actions.
And the probation terms will probably not be that onerous. Most probation officers simply make sure their charges are still gainfully employed, and are obeying laws. But Trump is a political candidate and NFT salesman, so we all know he has money coming in. Maybe they ask about his travel plans, which his team can easily give. Maybe they ask him about his medications and make him pee in a cup. Maybe they make him do some community service, which he will spin into campaign stops.
The probation process for Trump will be purely performative, but it is an important performance. It will be all about whether he recognizes that the NYC criminal justice system now has some oversight over him. If he does not, and does not cooperate with his probation officer (who, odds are, has heritage from one of those countries he doesn't like), he will end up in Rikers, purely due to his ability to not listen to people he doesn't like.
Campaign stops or not, I think giving him 1000 hours of community service would still be an excellent choice. Especially if it has to be local. He broke NY law, so he should have to serve NY citizens.
I think I would classify Donald as "Gainfully Unemployed"
There have been several Presidential also-rans who made a side career out of their losing campaigns. You need to have some level of accomplishment beforehand, of course, so people recognize your name. (Or, maybe you are just born with a famous one.) Then, you write at least one book. You announce an "exploratory committee", to test how well you might do in a campaign, which can raise money and fund your travel. Eventually, you formally declare your candidacy, and raise more money.
All your travel is paid for by the campaign, you have paid staff coordinating it all so all you have to do is show up. You eat good meals at fund-raisers where people give you even more money, And - this is the most important part - the campaign buys your books at list price to give away to donors, steering campaign money right into your pocket. By the time you graciously bow out of the campaign, you've grifted enough to last until the next campaign starts.
Sounds like he's gonna need someone he trusts dearly to pee in a cup for him.
"Ivanka, I need your pee. This time it's definitely not a sex thing."
I don't think Ike is the person downvoting you.
That's just a gut feeling though.
34 doesn't refer to the presidential sequence number.
Although I don't think Ike would agree with a whole lot of my political stances either.
Damnit. I'm an idiot.
Just act like you meant to. I’m sure it’d piss trump off if we kept confusing him for other presidents. Taft, for example. Or Obama.
I would think that being sorry for what you've done (or totally not, in his case) would be factored in.
Ugh. It's always "rigged." The election was rigged. The trial was rigged.
Get a fucking thesaurus if you're going to keep lying about it for fuck's sake!
Yup, when bad stuff happens, always blame those riggers....
While I do think that was him undeniably being racist, I think it was more an issue of, "hey, if I say someone who rigs is a rigger, it sounds like-" long after he started using the word "rigged." Because I don't think he's smart enough to come up with that sort of dog whistle the other way around.
It certainly is on brand for the false intelligence his followers give him though.
Well, he did love to use the hard N before this all while on set of the Apprentice, so I wouldn't put him past making the connection on his own and steering it there.
I'm suggesting he made the connection after the fact rather than used the word 'rigged' because of that.
Yeah and it's so annoying some people don't want to realize how awful he is when he pulls this crap. Like they take his word as gospel, the dude who lies about the colour of the sky.
I get that they don't want to be wrong but maybe the lesson is, we have to teach people it's okay to accept we're wrong and to change our ways. Digging into a bad hole is as bad as being bombed into one.