In the 90s there was this purple dinosaur from a children’s TV show that everyone seemed to hate. I don’t know anything about him or why we were supposed to hate him. To know anything about him you would have to have watched a show for 3 year olds, so if you did that then you deserve to be annoyed by it. Right?
It was because he sang the "I Love You" song. It was uncool.
And there were constant commercials where he did that. Any sane adult would be quickly driven crazy by how ubiquitous, how repetitive and sappy it was.
Satan
Satan as in disgruntled, restricted without being explained about reasons, Paradise Lost or Melkor in Tolkien's works kind is pretty much righteous in rebelling. Methods used during the said rebelling is questionable, thom
Shinji, from Evangelion.
He's 14. His mum is dead. His dad is a piece of shit and a manipulative bastard, who sees him as nothing but a pawn. "Emotionally traumatised" doesn't even start to describe him. He's pressured to pilot a mecha and if he fucks things up people will die, he knows that they will die, and that it'll be his fault.
And yet people expect him to be assertive or to not have meltdowns? Come the fucking on.
I really thought the idea was, "You like mecha? You like kids piloting mecha? This is how it'd go down." I loved it so much. Shinji's a broken, abused shell child. He lives with a broken human who drowns her sorrows in drink. His father is just evil. He'd have to be to let his kid pilot the mecha.
The only real father figure we ever see for shinji is a spy. Who gets killed. He's in love with a girl that hates him. Because he's broken. But he has no one else. Except those friends at school who I think they take away. Don't remember. And that angel who he has to kill or something. Damn, it's been like 25 years. I have no idea what happened. But in my memory it's terrible. Wonderful stuff.
I think the biggest problem that people have with NGE is that it just isn't your typical shounen anime. All of the characters behave in a way because of their past experiences. Shinji being abandoned by his father, witnessing his mother's death without actually understanding or realising it, asuka being neglected by her mother and Rei being a clone. And all of them in their teens, in a broken world getting told to fight and probably die or humanity is doomed.
With how saturated anime are with flawed main characters that then use that flaw to their advantage to overcome their enemy, NGE just doesn't do that.
I think that viewers just expect this hero story when they watch it.
I mean. I had a similar impression when I first watched it a long long time ago and thought that shinji was a wuss. But that was after I watched the typical shounen, DB, DBZ, Naruto and bleach. Not to mention that I didn't understand what the fuck was going on. Only later after watching it a second time and digging into the background a bit, shinjis Oedipus complex, asukas hedgehog dilemma and the general motivation of each of the characters it made a lot more sense. Including the context of their situation made me appreciate the storytelling a lot more because it put everything into perspective.
Didn’t realize he was hated? He is a fucked up little weirdo but so is everyone in that show. Man, I might need to rewatch, been way too long.
Plenty anime fans hate him. Because he's weak, indecisive, broken. He craves affection but once people offer "here's some affection", he turns them down. That rubs plenty people the wrong way.
Wesley Crusher. I always liked him
Shut up ~~Wesley~~ essell
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I am only a few years younger than Wesley was in TNG. He was someone with whom I could identify. I never got the Wesley hate, and if it was not for the internet I would not know there was any.
Willie in Temple of Doom. So what if she wasn’t cut out for the big adventure! She liked her life in Shanghai- dresses, performing, champagne, and nightlife. She didn’t ask for any of what happened next!
It was the shrieking that I wasn't a fan of
Skyler White. I didn't even know that she was hated quite a lot. I always thought she is actually the most sane person given the situation she's in.
I like how these conversations always ignore the wrong things Skylar did, such as cheating with Ted. It's always "well Walter was the devil, so anything she did was ok". She still begins the show by showing very little care for his birthday and making it feel like a chore. She's literally part of why he feels he's in a hum drum boring life with no control. His character ark is largely about him going from a meek high school professor afraid to do anything into a completely fearless kingpin who finally has control over his life. Yes, the point is that he goes too far. But it's also shown pretty clearly early on that he feels powerless and like his life is out of control(you know, like a sudden terminal cancer diagnosis might do).
Was Walter a bad person? Yes. Was Skylar also a bad person who didn't truly see him as an equal and who, when given the chance, cheats on him remorselessly? Also yup.
Multiple people can be bad. Even Hank, arguably one of the most moral characters, suffers from major blindspots and is a dismissive dick to Marie.
People defending Skylar are the kind of people that say "I can do what I want because it's a free country" and get shocked when they learn there are consequences to their actions, even if justified.
She's hated because Walt turned everyone against her - including the viewer, it seems
Same, and I suspect that not many people ever did hate Skylar... But the narrative makes for good content, so the few that did hate on Skylar got portrayed as the majority.
IIRC, though, Anna Gunn mentioned having a lot of negative interactions with the audience conflating her with her character... So who knows.
She is hated because she is acting sanely in this situation and is constantly trying to stop Walter's insanity.
Basically every character who's worst sin is just being kinda annoying
It makes no sense to me how an annoying person can catch so much more vitriol than a genuinely malicious person.
Like "sure he murders puppies as a casual past time, but at least he isn't a bother about it!"
I was listening to a football podcast (they go off topic in the offseason because there isn't a lot to talk about), and they had a whole rant about how Pam Beasley is a monster.
Because she was friends with Jim while dating Roy. (Yeah him having feelings for her wasn't exactly a shocker, but it's different when it's you. And she shut him down clearly when he actually made a move.)
Because she did the art school thing, I guess?
Because she was sad when Jim was dating Karen. (She did genuinely try to be her friend despite that, and went to cry in a corner alone.)
And because there was tension when Jim did Athlead. (Which if you actually watch, was him biting her head off when she messed up with a video of a recital, and him instigating a couple other times, presumably because of the stress of the situation, while she was being run ragged as almost a single mother at home.)
And because apparently chasing your dreams going to New York to go to art school while in a relationship is the same as doing it when you're actually married and have kids. But she didn't bend over backward enough to support him I guess?
It's just really weird to me, and he's not the only one with that weird twist on the character. (No she's not perfect. Sitcoms are all characters who are kind of monsters. But her as the bad guy doesn't make sense.)
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