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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

ROUND 11:ย ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡น Austria


FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX 2024


Circuit stats


  • First Grand Prix: 1970
  • Number of laps: 71
  • Circuit Length: 4.318 km
  • Race Distance: 306.452 km
  • Lap record: 1:05.619 Carlos Sainz (2020)
  • 2023 winner: Max Verstappen

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Verstappen crashes, has a flat tire for 2/3rds of a lap, gets a 10 second penalty and is still 17 seconds ahead of his teammate who failed to overtake a Haas.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I think Perez damaged his car with Piastri and thus could not go flat out.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Well, it seems like this time he has an excuse

[-] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

Crashstappen is back, let's go

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

If you want to pass Verstappen in a championship fight you better be 110% sure you make the move stick and be ahead.

It is not crashtappen vibes I got, I got 2021 vibes instead :)

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

While taking each other out of the points wasn't on my bingo card for the event, I was enjoying the fight up until that point. imo while it felt like Lando had the advantage the overtake wasn't guaranteed. Started getting '21 vibes - if they keep this up...

(Still want to see Albon get a podium at RBR though - rrrobbed.)

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

2021 Max is back?

George wins by doing nothing.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

He never left, he was just never challenged anymore i think.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Silverstone staff should add more tyres at Copse, just in case.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Just erect an A&E tent there so they can crash directly into it and get instantly treated.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Was thinking this after today lol

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Well that was exciting at the end. The only thing missing are the long and tedious argument chains that would have been found on reddit with everybody arguing whose fault is it.

Do you people agree with Jolyon that Max going off the track to keep the position should have been a pen. The way I see it, Lando clearly pushes him off after the divebomb

[-] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Lando was ahead at the apex, Max should have backed out or when going through the grass given the position to Lando. That's a pretty straight forward case IMO. However Lando did provoke him into that error for sure

[-] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

I don't think it's that straight forward. Norris dove so deep he almost went off track himself. He didn't leave Verstappen space so Verstappen had to go off track. Implying Norris had the right for the position sets a dangerous precedent where you can simply divebomb deep into the corner, cut off the entire corner and the person you want to pass has to give the position to you.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

You're allowed to almost go off the track.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

That was to point out that he didn't leave room for Verstappen. If Norris is already almost off the track, where is Verstappen supposed to go? Magically teleport through Norris?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Brake, wait for the road to be clear. Not overtake off the track.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

But if Max wanted to overtake because he was quicker out of the corner? Where would he go?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Every driver has a few choices. Brake and wait, go off the track, or collide. You're not allowed to overtake off track, and you shouldn't cause a collision, so what's left?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

2021 set that precedent, that was Max's signature move. Brake late to get ahead on the inside, go wide, and push your opponent off the track.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Max set the precedent that you can do such a divebomb not that you couldn't retake off track. You're arguing to make the move even stronger by disallowing retaking off track.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

But that is not for Max to decide. The stewards could have given Lando a penalty for that. But Max definitely should have given the position to Lando IMO.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

On paper I completely agree, Max should've given the position back. But in reality I think we both know why he didn't and why I think it was fair game. You even allude to the reason.

The stewards could have given Lando a penalty for that.

Just as they could have punished Lando for it they also could have punished Verstappen for not letting Lando pass. The stewards are wildly inconsistent and if I was a racer I wouldn't put my GP win in the hands of the stewards. Unless I'm clearly in the wrong the most logical course of action is to do what's best for me at that moment and then argue with the stewards later. Another example of stewards being inconsistent is the fact that Verstappen didn't get punished for taking the position back. He absolutely should've gotten punished for it, but he didn't. The stewards play loose with rules so drivers must also play loose with the rules if they want to win.

Imagine if Verstappen had given that position to Norris and then stewards had done nothing to punish Norris. People would have called Verstappen a sucker for giving up the position because why would you willingly give up your position in such a gray area? Verstappen is driving to win and that means he's not going to give up a position just so he could be "in the right". Being in the right doesn't mean you get to win. The winners mindset is that if you can be in the right and win then that's great, but if can't achieve that you'd much rather be in the wrong and win than be in the right and not win. That doesn't apply only to Verstappen, Norris would also be just as fine being in the wrong and winning. Same with a lot of other drivers.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lando was ahead at the apex, Max should have backed out.

This was only because he broke so late that he did not make the apex and almost did not make the corner, certainly left no space for max. If that is how things will be, we will see max divebombing and going into people from now on because like Alonso he too takes advantage of dubious stewarding.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I donโ€™t think it should be a penalty if you push someone off the track. But in this case I am not too sure.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Why though clearly forced of track and he was well ahead going into the braking zone. Can't see why he should be penalized for avoiding contact

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Donโ€™t get me wrong, I donโ€™t think it should have been penalty, but the previous laps were pretty hard defending from Verstappen and Norris was already complaining (imo way too much) so I figured it was the last straw and heโ€™d have to give the position back.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Norris' complains about moving under braking were fine because max was doing that to a degree but his complains that max pushed him off when he outbroke himself and ended up going off were pretty pathetic. Neither driver came out looking good from that fight

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I can't figure out the "rules" for that situation, as they seem very fluid depending on the corner and the outcome.

I wouldn't have thought Lewis should have given the position back to Sainz, but l also watched Max barge Charles off there years ago with no penalty.

While Max was clearly at fault for the collision, Lando was optimistic on a few of those attempts, my personal favorites being "He moved under braking!" Where max looked like he took a pretty normal line through the turn, and "He pushed me off!" When Lando locked up and blew through the corner.

I can't stand either one of them, so it was highly entertaining.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Where max looked like he took a pretty normal line

The line slightly different than his normal but nothing over the edge. I was shocked when palmer squarely claimed that Verstappen was the only one over the line and that Lando was never over it during the whole fight.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Max moved under braking multiple times, passed off track, ran into Norris not once but twice in the same corner, left the track maintaining his position, pushed Norris off track on the straight after the collision, then weaved and blocked Norris on the racing line on the following corner after it was clear he had a puncture.

Norris was overly optimistic going into a corner once and gave the position back.

But yeah, let's go ahead and treat both of their behaviors as the same... /sarcasm

this post was submitted on 30 Jun 2024
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