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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just to put some perspective: polls. The Emerson College one at the top is notable in several ways.

I suspect that if it really was over, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to put out propaganda that it was over. In fact, I think it’s safe to say that a ramping up of the vigor level in the attempts to paint Biden as a clear loser and invest hard in capitalizing on his fuckup of a debate is indicative of someone thinking that that’s badly needed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

The democrats beat the republicans on a generic ballot by one percent. The fact it gets worse when you add Biden into the mix is very concerning.

It's not like most people are voting for Biden as much as against Trump anyway. They should just open up the field and hopefully change him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No matter what happens, the result was always going to be the same long term

Moderates say it proves the DNC needs to become more conservatives because progressives bad.

Then republicans become more extreme to differentiate themselves from moderates.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Conservatives and other center right types vote reliably. They also donate reliably. They also campaign and run for office. Often all of that is largely connected.

Lefties if they run, unfortunately tend to be in competing smaller parties. Many looking for a new purity test weekly to virtue signal and not vote over. (Slight exaggeration) And don't reliably donate or vote much. This isn't a defense of Democrats etc. Far from. Just pointing out that expecting them to cater to you for very little in return is not logical.

If you want them to court you and run candidates you'd like. You need to work to make yourself valuable to them. Show solidarity and compromise with other left leaning voters. Running candidates and collectively pushing issues through the party that you would like to see. Not screaming and calling them genocide lovers when they point out to you that the only realistic options are either Democrats or Republicans and both unfortunately mean some level of genocide.