This infographic looks super sus. How is Jill Stein leading in anything? Also, why isn't LP candidate Chase Oliver on the list? Is there a link to the polling methodology? The result is surprising enough that I really can't take it at face value.
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Another Arab American poll by another institution in November 2023 reported a drop from 59% to 17% for Biden. Biden's and Trump's popularity dropped further since then, even if ADC are odd in their results.
That's nuts. It's just amazing to me how bad both major parties are on this issue.
If only people could vote outside of the two party system...
Like imagine if you could go vote but when presented with two shiti choices... You write in "fuck the regime" as your choice
It is a vote but it doesn't support the gereatric nepo baby regime.
Here in Australia we have preferential voting. It's a much better system because you vote for exactly who you want
Good point but are you dealing with similar regime too?
Ie two party circle jerk fucking over working peasants? etc
Independents and minor parties are increasingly growing their balance of power here..
Alright that would make sense in context of better voting system. Do you think it will yield a result?
But yes overall i agree that first pass the post whatever is shite. Thus my comment above would be US centric.
It already has a few times.. The rest of parliament has had to negotiate with small parties many times.
But it does also allow a transition to other parties. The US system does NOT. Also, I think your first preference gets the funding in our case. So, if nobody votes for the primary party as first preference they benefit less financially I think
first preference gets the funding in our case.
what does this mean?
Public funding is public money we provide to eligible political parties and independent candidates.
The amount you can receive is based on:
the amount listed in your audited statement of expenditure for the previous election
the number of votes your candidates received
the maximum legislated amounts.
You can also choose to receive advance public funding for the 2022 election. The amount you can receive in advance is calculated for each eligible candidate. It is also based on:
the number of first preference votes the candidate received at the 2018 State election
if they stood for the Legislative Assembly (lower house) or Legislative Council (upper house).
Unfortunately, a first past the post voting system always eventually results in a two party system. Rarely, a third party can rise, but always ushering the demise of one of the previous two. The only way we can escape a two party system is by reforming our voting systems to something like ranked choice or approval voting.
The only way we can escape a two party system is by reforming our voting systems to something like ranked choice or approval voting.
I agree and we see some action on small scale on that front.
My position on this issue is that as long as current two party regime gets sufficient legitimacy from clown voting process nothing changes.
You aint electing 3p under curren rules but you can deny the regime your vote.
This theory does hinge on the idea that you accept the two party regime as futile circle jerk and you are willing to "sacrifice" your vote that "your team" would get.
I don't see that as a viable path forward. If lack of voters decide the election in favor of the opposition (from your perspective), the party most aligned with you will move away from you to stay competitive. If sufficient votes for third party decide in favor of the opposition, you might get some decent movement towards the third party. If there are so many third party votes that your favored main party loses and the third party rises, the dying party may want to enact change, but they're out of power, and the newly entrenched party won't want to do it because it's now helping them.
Note that none of these result in voting reform. We know because it's happened. It wasn't always the Democrats and the Republicans, but it has pretty much always been a two party system once we got through a few elections.
If you want voting reform, unfortunately, the only way to make that a serious possibility is by making it a serious campaign issue and by fighting to enact it locally and work our way up to the federal level. It'll be hard to go straight for the top, but some areas are starting to experiment and prove it's viable. Next step is to go a little bigger or expand into new areas.
7% too many, but inshallah the Democrats lose for embracing genocide.
Some do believe in lesser-evilism and are holding on to it, others simply don't care except about themselves. This drop remains one of the largest in a very short period. Biden and the Democratic Party had around 59% approval among Arab Americans before October 2023. I don't have conclusive data but I know that it was higher than among the general population at any period, now it is in the single digits.
Love to see it. Even my mom, who used to call herself a "proud democrat" since getting citizenship here, won't be voting this election.
You should explain to her that not voting enables the regime...
Protest vote random third party or just write in anything is the proper way to send the message.
Trump is unpopular as well. Telling Arab-Americans they should fall in line and vote for someone actively contributing to genocide of Palestinians is monstrous behavior, I encourage you to touch grass.
I'm not telling arab-americans to do anything. I invite you to chill out.
You have two options.
- Biden who supports Israel almost completely in this war and is making at least some diplomatic effort to move toward a peace agreement.
- Trump who wanted a "complete Muslim ban" and wants to deport people who don't completely support Israel.
You tell me which option you pick. You can whine about wanting other options but you don't have any. If you don't want Trump then not voting for Biden helps Trump.
Clearly Arab-Americans have decided that largely, they cannot abide either of these outcomes, and have ditched both genocidal parties in favor of non-genocidal parties.
That's why you need to touch grass, telling Arab-Americans that genocide must be tolerated and democracy doesn't exist.
Good luck with that.
Touch Grass and speak with Arab-Americans challenge (impossible!)
Look I don't friggin' care who you are. Anything you do to help Trump win is going to be a bad thing to do. Biden is NOT the perfect candidate for you. There is no such thing. But Trump is certainly worse.
You can sit back and say "yeah but arab americans don't like him" -- well too friggin' bad. At the moment he's the only other viable option. So quitcherbitchin' and DON'T elect Trump FFS.
How am I helping Trump win by not voting for Trump? Why is Biden entitled to my vote?
How many genocides would it take for you to abandon "Lesser Evil" rhetoric? Would you vote for the real Nazi party if it was competing against Nazis+, rather than vote for a third party?
Because Trump is currently polling in the lead. If those numbers hold true then you're standing by and letting him take over.
Your third party vote simply does not matter. The third party will not win and it won't even be close. Not voting is just cowardly.
Voting for the lesser evil is the adult thing to do. It's how every vote is. Pull up your big-boy/girl-pants and pick a candidate you hate because you hate the other candidate more. Because guess what - the other candidate is *much friggin' worse" in this case.
So yes - vote for a Nazi because the Nazi++ may have won the second world war instead of lost.
Because Trump is currently polling in the lead. If those numbers hold true then you're standing by and letting him take over.
If Trump is polling in the lead, then Biden needs to change gears or step down. Vibing a genocidal geriatric into winning just isn't possible. Plus, if Biden wins, he gets to continue his game of genocide uncontested.
Your third party vote simply does not matter. The third party will not win and it won't even be close. Not voting is just cowardly.
I'm actually undecided. If Biden swapped away from Genocide or stepped down, I would consider voting DNC, rather than PSL. Not voting is only cowardly if your only political participation is voting every 2 years, which is the least effective way to enact change.
Voting for the lesser evil is the adult thing to do. It's how every vote is. Pull up your big-boy/girl-pants and pick a candidate you hate because you hate the other candidate more. Because guess what - the other candidate is *much friggin' worse" in this case.
Gotcha, you want to slide down to hell and allow America to get itself nuked, rather than attempt to save lives. You're an accelerationist, Gazans be damned.
So yes - vote for a Nazi because the Nazi++ may have won the second world war instead of lost.
Oh shit, the mask came off, lol. Guess you would vote for Hitler, rather than join leftists.
Let me ask you something - if you don't vote, or you vote third party (same thing), and Trump wins. What will you have gained?
If I vote for Biden and Trump wins anyways, what will I have gained?
I answered your ridiculous Nazi hypothetical - lets see if you're up for one.
The vote is split - exactly 50/50. Your vote makes the difference and if you don't vote the speaker of the house will elect Trump. What do you do?
Why does your magical situation matter if it will never exist?
The Nazi hypothetical wasn't really a hypothetical, the Nazis participated in democracy as well, and the SPD sided against the KMT. We are also seeing the Democrat-majority US commit genocide right now, which won't change if Trump or Biden are elected.
Coward.
If you could be a power ranger, which would you be? If you don't answer, you're a coward.
In seriousness, what's the point of an electoral hypothetical that doesn't in any way match the US electoral system?
Nevermind then - you're just an idealist with a black and white view of the world. They're all just Nazis after all. All of them. They're all the same. Guess I'm a Nazi too from your POV.
You're not a Nazi, just someone who said they would vote for the Nazis a few comments earlier.
No, the world isn't black and white, but genocide is unacceptable.
Oh shit, the mask came off, lol. Guess you would vote for Hitler, rather than join leftists.
"the mask" - I haven't been hiding anything. I'm not saying not to do anything at all to fight against the Nazi. I'm saying that if you are given the political choice between "bad" and "terrible" you pick "bad". Not voting and allowing "terrible" to win is the same as voting for "terrible".
Your option is to whine about the world and let the Nazi+ win. Lotsa good you do.
"the mask" - I haven't been hiding anything. I'm not saying not to do anything at all to fight against the Nazi. I'm saying that if you are given the political choice between "bad" and "terrible" you pick "bad". Not voting and allowing "terrible" to win is the same as voting for "terrible".
Except those aren't the choices. If you genuinely believe the words you are saying, you should be organizing armed revolt. You have the power to vote for whoever you want, and voting at the federal level is designed to not make a difference. Down ballot measures are far more important, and meaningful change comes from outside pressure to begin with.
Your option is to whine about the world and let the Nazi+ win. Lotsa good you do.
Nah, it's to build up dual power and try to stop the genocidal Empire from continuing to brutalize the world so that people like you can have cheap treats.
I've never once said or tried to dissuade you from exercising all other political options. Rally, protest, etc. Do what you want to effect change.
You have the power to vote for whoever you want, and voting at the federal level is designed to not make a difference. Down ballot measures are far more important, and meaningful change comes from outside pressure to begin with.
This is mostly irrelevant to our discussion.
Nah, it’s to build up dual power and try to stop the genocidal Empire from continuing to brutalize the world so that people like you can have cheap treats.
You're going to screw us all with your failed idealism is what you're gonna do.
I've never once said or tried to dissuade you from exercising all other political options. Rally, protest, etc. Do what you want to effect change.
Will continue, don't need your permission.
This is mostly irrelevant to our discussion.
Don't see how it isn't relevant, we are discussing electoralism.
You're going to screw us all with your failed idealism is what you're gonna do.
You say, telling me to hold my nose and vote for genocide, signaling that genocide is okay as long as the leading party will also commit genocide, rather than try to change the system itself.
Have fun ardently supporting genocide.
Have fun ardently supporting genocide.
Oh I'm fighting against genocide - Trump will throw fucking fuel on that fire. I'm doing what I can to stop him. Biden is much more reasonable. He's been making at least some effort to bring about a cease fire.
Things can always get worse.
Oh I'm fighting against genocide - Trump will throw fucking fuel on that fire.
How can he do so? He will continue the same genocide, and if you aren't resisting on the ground either way then you really don't care.
I'm doing what I can to stop him.
By supporting a geriatric genocidal Imperialist?
Biden is much more reasonable.
Today I learned Genocide and Imperialism are reasonable.
He's been making at least some effort to bring about a cease fire.
He has not. His posturing has done nothing materially, aid is still being shipped and the US is still propping up genocide.
Things can always get worse.
Truly a sign that simply continuing the slide down to hellworld as the DNC and GOP push further and further to the right while the American Empire crumbles is somehow the correct option, by your logic.
- Trump as you can clearly see is very unpopular among Arab Americans.
- Arab Americans are citizens, majority Christian and practically indistinguishable, here are a two American celebrities you might not have known were Arabs: Callie Khouri, and Tony Shalhoub.
- "Democrats lose" means Trump wins.
- Neat.
Only regime whores care...
We lived under both and life is shite for majority of Americans
These fear campaigns are tone deaf.
I just can't imagine why!
maybe its because he is a genocidal racists that goes around proudly saying he is a zionists.