Tankiejerk

Victim blaming at it's finest! Ukraine gets invaded, it must be their fault!

I exclude Tankies from the far left. Because at its heart, the left is anti-authoritarian. Tankies lost the plot somewhere and decided that full authoritarianism was the way to go, regardless of the human suffering that lead to.

An authoritarian regime that claims to be communist is no closer to the communist ideal of a stateless utopia than a fully capitalistic state. If the capitalistic state is democratic with popular socialist programs, then it's actually closer to the communist ideal than an authoritarian state that merely claims communism. I'm using European democracies as my gold standard.

This is a NATO proxy war in that NATO, an organization created to provide European countries protection from Russia's territorial ambitions, is providing assistance to a European country to help protect them from Russia's territorial ambitions.

I can't get over the circular logic of thinking Russia is justified in its invasion of another country by the fact that the other country wanted to be better prepared to defend against Russia invading it.

"I need to beat up my neighbor for trying to take a self defense class, because if he takes the class I won't be able to beat him up."

Dude, it only comes up if you're trying to beat up your neighbor. just don't do that.

Another BRICs war.

Another CSTO war.

NATO is not the aggressor. Ukraine is not the aggressor.

And Russia isn’t a victim.

Fuck Russia. Fuck the stooges that defend Russia.

I’m extremely confused how people who are “I’m so leftist bro!” say you see, this fascist dictatorship HAD to invade a sovereign nation and abuse and murder tens of thousands of people, shoot missiles at apartment buildings and kidnap thousands of children because you see, our own countries and NATO are mean to them, due to the fact that we exist.

Just because it's a NATO proxy war, doesn't mean NATO started it. Not saying they did this, but even if they were initially in wrong and bribed and coerced Russians into starting the war, Russia could have pulled out at any time, and no one is making Russia commit war crimes.

Hmmm. I'm amazed that Lemmygrad and Hexbear users haven't descended en masse to "dunk" on this.

Yeah, the US has done awful shit. I get it. It's not the greatest country. We've invaded other countries and killed innocent people - Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam (which was really just an extension of the French-Indochina war), and many others. We're still fighting--and possibly losing--battles against racism, religious extremism, and homophobia in our own borders. We have blood on our hands for sure. But our guilt in other matters does not make Russia innocent in this matter. Nor, for that matter, does the existence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine--including the Ukrainian parliament--mean that the country deserved to be invaded, and innocent civilians killed.

Yeah, imagine to my surprise when after being a leftist for years finally take a look at the communist communities on Reddit and then here and they literally say THE EXACT SAME SHIT as the conservative groups about the war in Ukraine, all the way down to Zelensky and his cabinet being Nazis. Noped the fuck out of those communities real fast.

The political spectrum isn't really a line. Please don't imply leftists and tankies are on the same team

It's not "fringe left" or "fringe right" (not that that means anything consistent in the first place), it's just anyone dumb enough to incorporate "Russia are unequivocally good and the US going against them are unequivocally bad" into their thinking.

Idiot tankies need to watch this:

https://youtu.be/wjU-ve4Pn4k?feature=shared

Tankies really are the worst. At least right wing ideology has propaganda that fits their mission.