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The UK’s ruling Labour Party allegedly ordered its MPs not to attend anti-racist demonstrations on Wednesday.

According to journalist Owen Jones, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper and Chief Whip Alan Campbell made the order “via a virtual call” on Wednesday morning.

Jones is a former member of the party and was part of its left-wing faction before quitting because of Labour's centrist turn under Keir Starmer.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even though being anti-fascist is an obvious virtue, I presume it's to avoid the appearance of prosecuting the rioters for political reasons. Starmer wants to make it purely about the lawbreaking rather than their political aims.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Politicians not making things political is rather ridiculous.

Same politicians that show up to march in pro-israel marches. Liberals will find any excuse to not do the right thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's more that it's a tactical choice to avoid polarising people. There's nothing material to gain by attending the protests, and much to lose in terms of pissing off the far right more and destabilising a precarious situation.

The shit-stirrers like Farage would immediately whip up some bullshit that Labour MPs attending anti-fascist protests is "proof" that the government are choosing to politically punish the far right protesters. The last thing Starmer wants is a resurgence of disorder.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nothing to gain by showing solidarity against racism?

Appearing racist to appeal to Farage voters isn't going to fix anthing nor win over any right wing voters. Appealing to right wingers never works they will never vote center when they can vote right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

No, they clearly aren't trying to appear racist, or even directly court their votes. They just don't want to actively feed into the idiotic theories that stoke tensions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Have they shown up to Pro-Israel marches since coming into power?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Subtle bit of framing there: "centrist turn". Not: " rightward turn". The author places the frame of reference in the center of politics rather than in the heart of the Labour party.

When you consider the rightward ratchet of Overton Window I'd argue the latter framing is more illuminating.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Given even the Daily Mail was celebrating the Wednesday anti-racist protests as a proof of unity against thugs, this feels like paranoia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It was literally just because they didn't want their MPs to get involved in a situation that might've turned violent. Can you imagine if any organisation had said, 'Yes, we want to oblige our staff to go and maybe get their heads kicked in by Nazis'?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Liberals always have a magical excuse to not do the right thing, I'm sure this was all about "safety concerns for their staff".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's obviously not 'the right thing' to put MPs in danger. It really is not that long ago that one of these thugs murdered a Labour MP.

I'm not a liberal, incidentally, but it's probably not the greatest idea for the left to adopt the language of American fascists. Reading the rest of your contributions to this thread, it's clearly not the only thing you've decided the fascists are right about, though.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago

Well it would hypocritical of them to do so when they openly support Israeli racism against the Palestinians