This seems like a huge win for Niemann. I remember Legal Eagle's video on it and he made it seem like Niemann didn't have much of a case for defamation. Him getting a settlement of having his critics withdraw their accusations of cheating, getting his account reinstated on chess.com and being able to play in future over-the-board tournaments is just about the best settlement he could have hoped for.
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He didnt have much for the case of defamation, which is why he lost that case against Magnus. It is however fair that Magnus has no proof for him cheating in OTB matches, and keeping that up without proper evidence could end up in a successfull defamation lawsuit.
This doesnt necessarily change anything for OTB tournaments, which are regulated by FIDE, who had the report on their investigation postponed until October (I believe).
I agree it is wild his chess.com account was reinstated after their report in which they claimed to have proof for iirc hundreds of times cheating in online matches!
they claimed to have proof for iirc hundreds of times cheating in online matches!
They merely stated his play was, across many games, indistinguishable from a cheater, they didn't have actual hard proof that he was cheating.
If they had actual proof they wouldn't have needed to settle
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Legal Eagle videos are a rush job that he cranks out last minute to stay relevant to the news cycle and algorithm and doesn't necessarily curate information carefully. Same exact problem as Linus.
He's a lawyer though, which gives him more credibility for legal things than not in my book. Do you know of other lawyers who covered the subject?
Yeah, he has more expertise than I do that's for sure. I'm not trying to detract from his expertise, he's clearly smart and knowledgeable and it's hard to find alternatives for a niche like this. If it works for you then it works for you. I know that he's not the only lawyer youtuber, there is a lawyer twitch streamer out there who does commentary on popular cases, I haven't been in that corner of the internet in a while.
I think sometimes I'm too critical of people like them when I should realize that it's for popular consumption and its not an academic exercise. But I personally have an issue with someone who is clearly trying to play the algorithm in a way which directly conflicts with him trying to be an authority on these issues. You cannot be a pop culture commentator, and figure, while maintaining an academic level of integrity. I've seen this problem in some scientific channels, (where i actually know my stuff) and the more popular channels tend to dilute the content and sometimes just give a wrong impression of a scientific topic.
I appreciate this comment. It crystallised my thinking on this, ad this Linus fellow.
Oh wow I thought that was a joke they just made up for It's Always Sunny lol
No it was definitely real, but Danny Devito's portrayal of the event was freaking hilarious, watching Frank lose his mind in pain from a vibrating butt plug was not something I ever expected, that whole scene had me hysterical laughing.
Oh wow I gotta catch up to the current seasons. That was one of the best scenes I've seen from the show yet.
Still 4 seasons behind lol. Only just got to the pool AIDS episode.
The new season is pretty exceptional, amazing how they still got it. The finale was also top notch
Everything you need is already inside you.
Here's a video of someone actually building something like that to play a chess match.
what's hilarious is you could just get a lovense toy, stick it up in there. no need to make anything at all. even has a free app to let somebody else control it.
Hey, do you wanna play chess?
I’m more of a checkers kinda guy
It ended quietly and began quietly and was quiet in the middle because the chess world is like not really that big.
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Kotaku failing at even being a sensationalist rag:
Top Chess Competor's Sex Toy 'Anal Bead' cheating buzz comes quietly in the end.
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“Quietly”?! This is like the 18th time I’ve heard about this. They made an episode on Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia about it. This is like the only thing people know about the competitive chess world.
I believe the title means that the ending of it was quiet, not the controversy itself.
Ah, la petite mort...
I'm sorry.. what?
I love that people are out of the loop on this. The headline becomes 1000x better.
One way to cheat at Chess is to get information from the outside from computers. A particularly fool proof way of hiding something is in the good old prison pocket. When Hans Niemann was accused of cheating, a lot of people wondered if he had used this particular method. Several prototypes were then made and used to prove the concept.
Those confused, it would work with some kind of vibration code. It doesn't need to be elaborate - just a code to look at a certain square. If he takes longer than 15 seconds or something, someone would be looking at a computer to calculate the best move, then vibrate the code of the square that it would move to. That's all they would need to figure out what to do.
For example: E6 - bzz bzz bzz bzz bzz - (Pause) - bzz bzz bzz bzz bzz bzz
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Amazing you’d think we would have let out a moan or some other sound.
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Did Carlsen ever present any ideas as to how Niemann could have cheated at the tournament in question? Were these just baseless accusations? Seems like very bad form for Magnus. I realize being a prodigy and a champion in a field this competitive can go to your head, but damn.
If you ever hung out on reddit's anarchy chess sub, you'd quickly discover that most grand masters and chess players overall tend to be big cry babies who love drama and throwing fits and tantrums. These are grown men who have tied their personal worth to playing a board game competitively. It's acutely obvious most of them don't have a sense of what sportsmanship means.
For an example google the meaning of the "peepee in your Pampers" meme.
Well, Niemann has a history of cheating in online games (some with prizes). He admitted cheating in some games, and according to statistics cheated in some additional ones.
It's possible that Carlsen had this in the head when playing and that, in conjunction with a "ridiculous miracle" caused his reaction:
The report mentioned as peculiar but drew no conclusions from the statement made by Niemann in his post-game interview that it was inexplicable and a "ridiculous miracle" that he had the very day of the game, before the game, used a computer engine to analyze an unusual position that arose in his game against Carlsen.
I realize being a prodigy and a champion in a field this competitive can go to your head, but damn.
I think it would be fair to mention that Carlsen has never done anything like this before in his already long career.
I understand all that. What I meant was that I think it's bad form to accuse an opponent who beat you of cheating without evidence, and I would think that if you're at the top of your game, it looks even worse, and thus Carlsen would have even more incentive to mind the optics of it. This is the first I've ever heard of him behaving like this as well, but it looks bad nonetheless. I would think a better way to have gone about it would be to investigate my suspicions outside of the public eye first and only go public if I came up with evidence to support the claim. Being wrong about an accusation of cheating almost looks worse than actually cheating. I'd want to avoid that at all costs, if I were him.
The thing is I don't think there's any way Magnus would accuse him or forfeit the game unless he was sure.
I'm pretty sure what happened here is Magnus opened an obscure opening and when the move set exactly copies the pattern a computer would play you just know.
That's the level Magnus is at. His memorization is insane and I can almost guarantee he was 100% sure this kid was cheating.
Just because you don't have proof or can't see it doesn't mean Magnus can't.
I get it from a casual observer point youre like no way he could know. Trust me his memorization is that good.
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I would think a better way to have gone about it would be to investigate my suspicions outside of the public eye first
Which is far from easy in such cases.
I wouldn't be surprised if his reaction was made in the affect of the moment. We're all humans.
Did the batteries run out?
Like most things involving anal, it was fun while it lasted.
How do they know? How many assholes have they looked inside?
The pun in the title makes this worth it and I don't even care about chess
Oooooh also, it seems like Magnus Carlson is butthurt
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