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Tesla sells the most EVs, but if you don’t think it sells the best EVs, here are some alternative models that you could choose instead.

Tesla doesn’t have as big a lead over its competitors as it once did. Although its EVs are still among the best, competing automakers have caught up and have even surpassed Tesla in some areas.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The fact that this article claims to be for listing alternatives to teslas, praises Tesla in its opening paragraph, leads with a Tesla, and lists multiple teslas in it tells me this is not an article written in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Each Tesla model is followed by the alternatives for that model, eg Cybertruck: F-150, R1T, Silverado...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but it is not formatted in a way that makes it clear, and it still talks about how much better each Tesla model is compared to the competitors.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It offers both pros and cons of non-Tesla EVs, for example

The Model S you can buy today is a heavily updated version of the car launched back in 2012, which means it doesn’t look quite as sharp and futuristic as some of its rivals, which are quicker and offer superior range.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It lists the Teslas because it aims to provide alternatives for each Tesla model though.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

No, Tesla does not sell the most EVs.

Link

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

This is an American journal writing about American cars.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You're right. For the US, Tesla is the leading EV manufacturer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago

Not just the leading OEM but they sell more than all of the others combined.

China has MASSIVE subsidies for EVs (and many other products). Even ones they export. So they undercut pricing on every other OEM. Not saying it's unfair or bad, just that it's not really a "fair" comparison.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd like an EV that has physical buttons for things I need when driving instead of a bullshit touchscreen. I'd like it to not record everything I do in the vehicle nor send that to the manufacturer.

Same for ICE cars, by the way, the shittening is happening to everything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

I'd like an EV that's actually affordable, not "affordable". The number does not start with a 4. Not with a 3 either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, it’s an issue with pretty much all modern cars and especially EVs. Everything is connected to a computer (even things like a front lights), the car has billions of useless systems and large screens that just distract you.

Just make a simple car like which is easy to maintain, lasts longer and does not have useless shenanigans. I will pay more.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

The only vehicle on the list that looks appealing to me is the Ford Equinox EV in that it's priced in the low 30s and it's not a truck or a sedan. But then, it's a Ford. Also, don't they have have their own proprietary infotainment system that doesn't have carplay? Or was that GMC?

I really like the Hyundai/Kia EV aesthetic, but my experience with having a vehicle that did not have an immobilizer installed soured me on their business practices. Yes I know EVs are a different class, but it will take some time for me to consider them again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

Or was that GMC?

GM*

Ford has an excellent infotainment system with Android Auto and CarPlay.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago

Chevy makes the equinox

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not trying to justify Kia/Hyundai. But customers demanded cheaper cars, so they cut price by removing this feature, now customers are upset.

But would those same customers have bought a Kia or Hyundai if it was more expensive?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure I get that. They could’ve cheaped out on a lot more things that aren’t detrimental to security though, like maybe something in the interior instead, like trims or panels. An immobilizer is less than $50, and they probably could’ve gotten them cheaper for mass production. Canada doesn’t have that issue, and it’s not like people there don’t want cheaper cars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Europe has a law that you have to include an immobiliser. Probably Canada has the same. And some People care more about cheap plastics than a missing immobiliser, until they need it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Why does an article for Tesla alternatives have Teslas in it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You have to research and compare the Tesla model you’re looking at with its main rivals

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, I didn't notice the headers being different for the Tesla vehicles. Although I suspect that the author prefers Tesla from how they talk about it in this article.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's possible he prefers Tesla.

I think some people might be expecting an article about why they shouldn't get a Tesla. But it's just comparing Tesla to alternatives, kind of like someone writing about healthy snack alternatives doesn't necessarily think any of them taste as good as the unhealthy snacks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, that is exactly what I said: that they prefer Tesla. They may not be able to judge a reasonable alternative for those who do not prefer it, which is who this article is likely intended for. Some people might prefer an author that has EV experience (and similar tastes/opinions) outside of Tesla's walled garden when looking for alternatives.

These are expensive EVs, not snacks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They are basically just focusing on form factor, battery size, range, performance, and price. Even if the author thinks Tesla often has the best combination of those, the article is still useful. If you don't want a Tesla, then you can use the article to determine which of those (if any) you would have to sacrifice and/or which benefits (if any) you would gain.

It's also useful for narrowing your search, for instance to find vehicles with >300 mile range that cost <$50K

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's not very useful when there are dozens of articles that have the same exact info written by people who do not prefer Tesla. This is one of the most poorly written versions of this type of article I've seen - I'm not even convinced the listed author was actually the author.

I'm not sure why you're defending an article that is as ill-conceived as this, to be honest. It's a markdown nightmare, has copy+pasted "specs" that don't seem to have any verification, backing, or personal experience (which, unlike snacks, actually matters with EVs) and is written from a place where it seems like they aren't even sure why you'd consider something not Tesla (because they prefer them).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm defending it because I found it useful. A search of EVs generally brings up videos (no thanks), reddit/forum threads (no thanks), articles that focus only on a couple vehicles, or articles that focus only on one factor like range.

I'm not sure why one would only read articles written by people who don't like Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Compare and contrast.