I hate how they always say that it won't benefit hamas rather than saying a 6 weeks deal mean that more civilians will die firectly and from famine after
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Most of the news of the rest of the world agrees that this war only takes this long because Netanyahou wants it to. Not israel but Netanyahou. When this war stops, so does his career
He does not have any interest in stopping it before he starts a new war with someone else
Two-thirds of Israelis want the war in Gaza to continue. Netanyahu may be unpopular but the genocide isn’t
So what's the excuse if/when he's replaced and next pm does exactly the same?
I have to say that this is the most color I've seen in months on the actual reasons why. On first read, it gives an understanding that both sides are willing to approach a deal - but lack trust in the process and the mediators ability to coerce the other side to actually commit and follow through.
A more cynical read (my second one) through this is that Hamas is still viewing civilian hostages as an asset and leverage. They are hesitant to get a six week ceasefire because they think they should get more than that for civilian hostages. Recent reports are making it clear that Hamas is executing the hostages. Whether as part of their negotiations, a breakdown in discipline, or just simple evil - the mediators have failed to impress upon Hamas the depth of their strategic mistake.
On first read, it gives an understanding that both sides are willing to approach a deal - but lack trust in the process and the mediators ability to coerce the other side to actually commit and follow through.
I don't think this is a bad reading of the article in vacuum, but I don't think it's a fair reading of the situation because AP intentionally or unintentionally has left quite a bit out. Hamas agreed to a US-backed ceasefire back in May that Israel refused. There was plenty of trust on both sides that they'd get what was in the deal, but Israel didn't want that particular deal at that particular time.
What's happening now is Hamas wants Israel to remove their troops and generally stop killing Palestinians, in addition to the other parts of the deal. Israel refuses to put this in writing, saying they'll stop killing people for now, but they're going to leave troops behind to occupy the area - but eventually they'll remove those troops. You're right that Hamas doesn't trust Israel's going to remove those troops, and I think that's entirely reasonable given how the "bridging proposal" is a variation of May's proposal, but striking out things like withdrawing troops. Seems like if that's those are the major changes they're making to the written proposal, they probably don't plan on following through.
But it's also entirely unreasonable for Israel to strike that in the first place. The Palestinians don't want Israel to be an occupying force. There's nothing they can do about the civilians continuing to settle and take their land, but at the very least they're asking for the additional soldiers that have invaded the land in the last year to get out while they're not actively killing Palestinians.
On top of that, Israel's occupation of the Philadelphi Corridor and Rafah crossing is in violation of the Camp David agreements with Egypt. It's really difficult to trust you can make a deal with somebody who's currently not following the agreement they have with your mediator.
This is a helpful article that explains the original deal in more detail than most people want to know: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/6/text-of-the-ceasefire-proposal-approved-by-hamas
Do you have a copy of the bridging proposal? I haven't seen any actual text.
I don't think they've released the text nor a comprehensive list of what it includes. They've only alluded to a few things, like the occupation.
This AP article says as much when it says, "Blinken, who is back in the region this week, said Monday that Israel had agreed to the proposal without saying what it entails." https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2024/why-is-israel-demanding-control-over-2-gaza-corridors-in-the-cease-fire-talks/
Al-Jazeera and similar have all said some variation of that as far as I've seen.
Israel doesn't want a deal where Hamas is allowed to return to the previous situation with daily rocket attacks and the eventual field trip. Hamas doesn't want a deal where they're unable to return to that situation.
Apparently Egyptian negotiators 'reworded' the deal Israel agreed to before to make it acceptable for Hamas. But because of the above, both parties won't ever agree.
recent reports are making it clear that Hamas is executing the hostages
Possible, but there werent all that many to start with and many are still alive. If they start killing them they will run out pretty quick. With the vast majority of structures leveled think how hard it would be to keep hostages alive, and think about whether Israel has been acting to get them back or keep them safe.
Hamas doesn't want to lose their only leverage, the hostages. They are what keeps the commanders alive.
I needed a laugh. Thank you.
Deif is dead. Haniyeh is dead. Something like 40% of all the senior leadership is dead.
The hostages aren't keeping them alive, they're putting them in the crosshairs.
Sinwar reportedly only moves around with hostages in tow.