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Does lemmy.world really have 22000 users already? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Since my last post yesterday, lemmy.world has added over 3000 new users, bringing the total user count to 22000 today (source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). It firmly holds the position of the second-largest lemmy instance, passing beehaw.org by a large margin of 10000 users.

In other news, beehaw has defederated from lemmy.world a few hours ago. How does the third-largest instance only have 4 ~~mods~~ admins for its 12000 users?!

So much going on!

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I find it very confusing that they are defederating. Beehaw users can choose to watch local content only. Why damage the federation in this crucial time?

[+] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It seems odd to me that Beehaw would choose a federated model if this is truly their approach.

The whole point of federation is that you'll have everyone from everywhere in your community, with exceptions for bad actors. If Beehaw says "We want our community to be unified and work exactly like this" it just seems like they should have forked Tildes or something?

I was talking to one of the Beehaw admins the other day and I think they mentioned they came from Tildes because they disagreed with how Deimos was running things or something like that. But Tildes is open-source and non-federated, so it seems like the more natural place to jump to for what they want to do?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah, why pioneer a free and open platform just so you can curate a censored and closed echo chamber? That's why I chose Kbin, ernest seems much more interested in the success and development of the community and platform than enforcing whatever flavor of ideology.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am not sure I follow. If you can be in beehaw, choose to only watch your's instance, and engaging in other instances only when you want - what'd the downside? I feel like I am missing something.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People outside beehaw can still comment there and people inside beehaw would still see these comments.

This posts explains better how it works https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/24341/How-the-beehaw-defederation-affects-us

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, I don't think thats right. Unless I am missunderstanding it?

comment is going to be sent to every version of that post via ActivityPub, as the "true" version has been updated. That is, every version EXCEPT lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. So users on lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works won't get that comment, because we've been defederated from beehaw.org. If we write a comment, it will only be visible from accounts on lemmy.world, because we posted to a copy, but our copy is now out of sync with the "true" version. So we can appear to interact with the post, but those interactions are ONLY visible by other lemmy.world accounts, since our comments aren't send to other versions. As the "true" version is hosted on beehaw, and we no longer get beehaw updates due to defederation, we will not see comments from ANY other community on those posts (including from other defederated instances like sh.itjust.works)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Now that BeeHaw has defederated, they won't see any comments from lemmy.world/shitjustworks users in their own communities.

If they kept federation, those users would be able to comment on beehaw.org communities.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Sorry for the confusion, I meant that, if they didn't defederate and their users just kept on their 'local' feed, they'd still see outside comments.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Huh, ok, I get it now. I am sad to see the beehaw go. I actualy tried to make an account there but was rejected without notice for whatever reson. I will really miss their communities.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You should still be able to view and comment on beehaw as normal so you don't have to miss those communities. Defederation is a one way street. So it's just like lemmy.world doesn't exist as far as beehaw is concerned. We can't have any impact on their vote counts from their perspective, they won't see our comments regardless of the instance it's posted on, they can't visit any communities from lemmy.world, etc. But unless lemmy.world defederates from beehaw we will still be able to view, vote on, comment on, etc anything from beehaw as normal. It's just that you are less likely to get any sort of interaction so you are disincentivized from doing so. Technically we could still comment on a beehaw post and anyone from lemmy.world or any other instance that hasn't defederates with us would still be able to see and reply to that comment.

Edit: for anyone reading this, the truth is somewhere in between. See the link to the post in the comment below mine to get more clarification.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's very interesting. I didn't realize it worked that way. You're saying when one instance comments on a external instance the comment itself is still hosted by the first instance? It is hosted in the first instance and and update is sent to the external instance which would host a duplicate copy (but in this case is rejected)?

I've read most of the Lemmy documentation but these nuances of the architecture aren't well covered.

Edit: just found this post which clarifies it all: https://lemmy.world/post/149743

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Nah, de-federation means they won't be seeing anything from lemmy.world on:

local posts
lemmy.world posts

They will still see lemmy.world comments on other instances, but lemmy.world posts won't appear on the ALL sorting.

In the same way lemmy.world won't be able to see beehaw posts.

Basically,

local only concerns posts that have been submitted on beehaw communities
All concerns posts submitted on any instance that is federated and to which at least one user on the instance is subbed to.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

No, they can choose to see content from local communities. The users posting in those communities, and the people commenting on those posts, can still come from any federated site.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of users joined Lemmy.world due to the open sign ups. Whether they will be lurking or not remains to be seen.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Yeah I used to lurk on reddit, but trying to be more active on lemmy.world. I'm a fan of what's going on with lemmy and kbin.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I missed what happened with mastodon.social. What moderation tools were missing?

[+] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It would be amazing if Lemmy implemented silencing/muting instances, it would make a great middle ground between fully federating or defederating so that it's less binary and absolutist, and allows more individual freedom within mod actions. I think having a spectrum of choices when it comes to interaction will help social media networks a lot, because it means there are more ways to deal with problems and it more mirrors real life social groups, which means the dynamics are less artificial and distorted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gotcha. Do we know if lemmy is getting something like that soon?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The moderators.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's a fun way to call all the moderators tools :D

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I saw on one of their post that they now have 36 mods, but I guess that's still not enough.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I think you're right, they have 4 admins. Corrected my post. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Exciting to see such incredible growth in such a short time! I do feel like that until moderation tools improve some instances might do something similar to beehaw. Given beehaw noted it was hopefully a temporary solution and they have stricter content guidelines than most instances.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Beware of bots and cyber attacks, dear lemmy!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The growth right now is crazy, my chosen site/instance/? is struggling to stay up. I‘m really excited for this like I haven‘t been for any website in a good decade.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

What's your chosen instance? And yeah, I haven't been this excited since the whole digg vs. reddit switch back in 2010. And then there's mastodon this past year. I remember reading about needing decentralized social media back then, and now it's finally here.

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