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[–] [email protected] 378 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Duh. They use phones mostly. A lot of the gen z people I know are just as bad as boomers with tech. Millennials and gen x had that sweet spot of "actually having to learn how shit works not just iphone go brrr."

[–] [email protected] 225 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yeah I don't know why the article mentions Gen Z's "tech-savvy reputation". Being able to operate a cell phone doesn't make you tech savvy.

Gen X and Millennials grew up using command line and troubleshooting computer problems before the Internet. Their tech skills are way higher than Gen Z.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I never needed to use command line, but I did hone my typing skills on MIRC and ICQ.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

*Mavis Beacon.

Anyone responsible for the family IT services had to learn cmd.

Also, the article reminds me of this

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

Pretty sure booting into DOS before loading Windows and playing the Oregon Trail on the Apple IIe both count as command line experience.

I also think that as smug as a lot people feel about this, it doesn't seem far off to think that physical keyboard typing skills could be substituted with newer technologies, or refined versions of existing tech. At least in terms of performing most office job functions.

I'm not saying it'll be more efficient, or better, just that it wouldn't be a surprising next step given the trends being discussed here.

If that happens, I have no doubt that smugness will turn into self-righteous indignation and a stubborn refusal to abandon the tactile keyboard for older generations, myself included.

I just hope that if that transition occurs during my lifetime, it's an either-or situation, and not a replacement of the keyboard.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Yep. And phone typing is the 'hunt and peck' method of keyboard typing. Which is unfortunate because it's ingraining the slowest way to type onto a whole generation.

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 week ago (31 children)

I’m part of Gen Z, and no, we as a generation AREN’T tech savvy. just because we grew up with smart phones does not make us tech savvy. in fact, i actually think it made us dumber with tech. i’m the only one in my school who knows how to use a command line and code (i also use linux as my daily driver). meanwhile everyone else doesn’t even know what a freaking file manager is

[–] sp3tr4l 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Millennial here: I think what Gen X and Boomer authors mean when they say 'GenZ is more tech savvy' is basically just that they use social media apps on phones and play video games, and that more of their culture derives from such things.

Maybe tech-immersed would be a better term.

As far as actual tech competency goes?

Yeah I agree with you. Phones and apps are generally reliable enough now that there's far less need to figure out anything under the hood, unlike in my day where you kind of had to learn more about a system to do what is now common, and you had to type on a keyboard.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 week ago (10 children)

There’s a common misconception among boomers and gen x that “digital natives” like gen z have a god-given tech proficiency. However, there’s nothing about being born with a smartphone in your hand that teaches you anything about tech.

It’s not like people are getting better at changing oil as car ownership becomes more common, right?

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The tech-savvy reputation comes from the "digital native" narrative i.e. because they grew up with computers they must know computers, which is a silly fallacy because how one interacts with technology makes all the difference. It's the same reason why everyone who grew up with electricity isn't necessarily an electrician.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They use apps.

On phones.

They aren't tech savvy.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'd also argue that your WPM typed on a keyboard doesn't make you tech-savvy either. 1950s secretaries could type fast on a typewriter and that didn't make them tech savvy either.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Gen Z is app savvy, not tech savvy. Very very different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

This article only covers typing, but younger gen z and gen alpha are (not at all to their blame) woefully bad at understanding technology. Even using their own devices, like the iphone, outside of a few dozen common apps can be challenging. Let alone desktop OSs, servers and things like printing.

I stress that I absolutely do not say this to call them dumb or ignorant. They have not been given other resources and were not raised on other kinds of tech. And as the article points out, older generations in administration and management positions falsely equate this "app savy" intelligence to tech ability. That is where the blame lies mostly not with the young teenagers and kids.

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I taught a bunch of Gen Zers back when they were in high school. None of them knew how to type well, and it was a rarity that any of them knew how to type at all. I was supposed to teach them things like Microsoft Office, but we had to start with typing and basic PC usage before we could move on to something as complicated as MS Word.

This is what happens when people don't use computers and instead just use cell phones.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What tech savvy reputation? They doesn't even know what a system file structure is. Neither the article writer, social media =/= tech-savvy.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

I was the electronics guy at walmart and just...holy shit the kids buying laptops. A lot didn't even know how to work the keyboard. They would touch a non touchscreen laptop then ask me 'if it isn't touch screen then how do you work it'. Thats just one of a million amazing questions I got.

I know a bit of it is....iono...location bias? Most kids who know computers are probably shopping online or microcenter or something but still.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago (9 children)

but gen z is not tech savvy. They can use a browser. and watch youtube. They never advance past that stage

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've literally never heard Gen Z described as tech savvy.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

Yes.

Calling GenZ tech savvy for always using a cell phone is like calling grandma a mathematician because she spends all day at the slot machine.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Their parents don't even give them PCs, only phones, how would they even learn?

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)

People who know nothing more than how to operate a smartphone are not tech savvy. They can't even do that properly. Never seen anyone from that generation use an ad blocker or revanced or anything else that combats enshittification.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Being able to use TikTok on your phone doesn't make you tach savvy. They don't know anything about how it all works. It's a false dichotomy.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (22 children)

I'm a programmer. I write hundreds of lines of code a day (of varying levels of quality ofc). I also fix technology (phones, laptops, desktops. tablets, etc). I'm probably one of the most "tech-savvy" people I know. I very rarely type faster than 70 wpm. it's just not necessary for what most of us are doing.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Gen X that think Gen Zs are tech savvy are probably the people that the actual Gen X nerds shake their head at when we have to teach them how to put an URL in the address bar instead of searching for Gmail and clicking on the link every. goddamn. time.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

People believe just because someone interacts with some sort of digital device, it makes you an expert on computers. The thing is, it depends on the type of operating system you are interacting with.

For example when I was young, my father would buy those big old gray computers from yard sales. I would mix and match the pieces inside to build my own PC. I broke a lot of shit but learned a lot.

The operating system was one where you more or less had total control over the computer. By 12~13 I was using CD-Roms to load different Linux distros and play around with all sorts of different things.

This experience basically taught me how operating systems work at a fundamental level. How it needs a kernel, how it loads and maintains services, packages, etc. How file systems work and learning how terminals are useful. Scripting languages, and eventually coding applications.

Compare and contrast that to the young kids of today. What do they get? A phone and a tablet. You can't open it up. You can't tinker with it. The OS is closed off and is deliberately made as difficult as possible to modify. No mouse, no keyboard. Streamlined UIs with guard rails.

You get what you get and you don't get upset. That doesn't leave nearly as much room for exploration and curiosity. It's a symptom of our computers becoming more and more railroaded. More and more control by large companies.

It's really sad, I think. Fairly soon I believe every device will be a "thin device" or essentially a chrome book. Very little local processing power and instead it'll essentially stream from a server.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

It seems like a kind of horseshoe thing where Boomers are computer illiterate because they weren't around when they were growing up, while Zoomers are computer illiterate because they grew up primarily interfacing with technology via the simplified, corporate-approved mobile phone platforms. Gen X and Milliennials came of age when computers were still more of a Wild West.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Z is not savvy. They're basically boomers when it comes to tech. It always worked so it should work. None of our z staff can fix a printer and in fact none are allowed to

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The natural result of getting rid of computer literacy classes.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

By the time the generation after them get to working age, somebody will have invented the Swype keyboard for office use.

It will always be in uppercase unless you press the "no cap" button.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (4 children)

As a Gen X, I think my typing speed peaked around late high school/early university? I tried to teach myself touch typing and got moderately proficient. Then I got into programming where you need to reach all of those punctuation marks. So my right hand has drifted further to the right over the years, which is better for code but suboptimal for regular text.

One thing that's really tanked for me though is writing in cursive. I used to be able to take notes in class as fast as the prof could speak. Now I can scarcely sign my own name.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I built my Gen Z nephew a PC with a GTX 950 a few years back. When I went by to gift him a new video card I found out that he hooked up his video output from the motherboard the whole time. Don't know how that reflects on all kids from his generation but it was kinda funny.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

That’s funny but is a mistake that much more tech savvy people make. Although, they would figure out they made a mistake much sooner.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Does Gen Z actually have a tech savvy reputation? I was under the impression that the last few generations aren't that great with computers as they more grew up with mature technology. It is the Gen X and Millennials that are more digital native while having used computers where advanced skills were required.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

so... people who take typing lessons and actively try to improve it have better typing skills than the ones who don't. Shocking.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The number of people i'm seeing use caps lock instead of shift to do capital letters have been increasing. "Oh you can do that?"

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Gen X here. Honestly, I was a shit typer until I got a keyboard for my sega dreamcast and bought "Typing of the dead".

I went from hunt and peck to well over 100wpm.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Every single article about "gen x" this or "gen z" that is 100% bullshit. Stop reposting this garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, as a millennial, I mostly taught myself to type. I'm fast enough, but have bad technique and could be faster. I was only ever actually trained to type in grade school, and barely. Once in a while in computer class we would play an educational typing game.

My mom is much better at typing than I am, because she was trained to type in college. That's not really a thing anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

once again the divide between being tech-savvy and tech-native rears it's ugly head. no, gen z is not exceptionally tech-savvy compared to previous generations, i can confirm most of my peers are tech morons. they've just been raised with smartphones and therefore know that specific UX language better than previous generations

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Mavis Beacon would cry if she were around to see this

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

Technology has moved from nitch nerdy thing to general public usage and as it did so it became usable without knowing what's going on. Gen Z doesn't know shit about technology, they just know how to use it.

When I was a kid, if you wanted to get a computer working you had to screw with the RAM settings or build the computer yourself from components. If you didn't know how to do this you talked with someone who did. I've forced my kids to learn at least some of this, but the idea that they're more tech savvy is ridiculous. They're users of tech, but it's become too complicated (and more user friendly), so they don't know what's happening behind their screen.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think that true "tech-savvyness" isn't really a generational thing.

Some people are just really curious about how stuff works. When they see something they aren't satisfied with, "Just do it." or "Shit just works." They want to know how and why it works. When you hand those people a computer, machine or flower they'll poke at it and try to understand it better.

It's not clear that typing skills are actually needed for that.

I max out at around 80-100 WPM but I only sustain that when I'm transcribing something. When I need to learn about technology, it's much more about reading than typing. When I actually need to do some coding, I spend much more time staring at the screen and looking up stuff on Stackoverlow than I do actually typing.

Most of Z is not savvy at all, just like with every generation. And just like with every generation, some of them will push the envelope of technology. I doubt that lack of typing will slow those folks down.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I blame the attempt to make devices user-friendly. Convenience kills skill.

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